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- From: mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto)
- Subject: Re: A note on Modal Logic that has nothing to do with Ikky Sex
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.081728.7855@panix.com>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:17:28 GMT
- Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
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- zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
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- > mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
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- >> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
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- > MT:
- >> Ah, if this is the case, it does not address the problem that I brought
- >> up about quantifying over all possible worlds. I agree that there are
- >> solutions when we limit our set of possible worlds M to a set. But the
- >> collection of ALL possible worlds is not a set, and has no cardinality
- >> which can be attached to it.
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- > Mark, I gave your claim the charitable interpretation; now you eliminate
- > the last possibility of charity. In standard Carnap-Kanger-Kripke
- > semantics, the collection of all possible worlds is certainly a set.
- > But let me humor you by granting that it is a proper class; it suffices
- > to adopt the class analogues of the ZFC axioms to derive the very same
- > results for the concept corresponding to cardinality, -- in honor of
- > Kripke, let me call it "shmardinality". There goes Your Negativity.
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- Were I using the Carnap-Kangor-Kripke definition of possible worlds, I would
- agree with you completely. I was not, and made this clear. I will be
- charitable to you and assume that you either did not realize this, or
- chose to ignore it, rather than the third possibility -- which would be that
- you are dense (which I believe is not the case).
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- In the future, you might want to make sure that you understand how people
- are using words before you draw conclusions from their statements. The
- definitions you use are common in a restricted field, but not in common
- language.
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- > MT:
- >> I've seen too many papers in Modal Logic which ignore this fact.
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- > That's because it's a "fact" of your own making.
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- There are a number of papers that were written using a more Leibnizian sense
- of possible world. These are scary things to read :-)
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- > Two suggestions: if you want to discuss your ideas of philosophy of
- > language (or "Philosophy of Language", as you might put it), consider
- > looking up some basic math (or "Foundations of Mathematics"), and
- > cross-posting to a venue more likely to appreciate your speculations.
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- You crack me up Mikhail!
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- Been there, done that.
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- You sure love to argue about nothing. Using your definitions, I agree with
- everything you say. I suspect that you would agree with my points if you
- used common definitions. But you are right about the venue. I'll not
- continue this discussion here.
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- I'd continue in another newsgroup, but I find the logic and philosophy
- newsgroups too dull -- not enough idle chat.
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- Mark
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