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- From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
- Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.081442.20987@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 08:14:42 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan1.035835.22776@cs.unca.edu> kepley@cs.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
- >
- >>Unfortunately, this means you can't possibly be right in stating that
- >>"conservative" has a political meaning in England or Scotland.
- >
- >From The World Book Encyclopedia, entry by James L. Godfrey:
- >
- >CONSERVATIVE PARTY is one of the two main political parties in Great Britain.
- >The second is the Labour Party...etc...etc..
- >
- >and also under CONSERVATISM
- >
- >...The name 'Conservative' was first used around 1830....was applied to
- >descendents of the old Tory party...conservative ideas were expressed as
- >earlyas the 1700's in the writings and speeches of Edmund Burke....
- >
- >I don't know what a "Peter da Silva" is but either you have misquoted him
- >(which is what I suspect) or he is an ignoramous. Conservatives are simply
- >descendents of Burke, the greatest mortal who ever lived in my opinion.
- >They were the first critics of the philosophes and the parents of the
- >Romantics.
-
- No, I'm sorry, but I did NOT misquote Peter da Silva. He posted a lengthy
- paragraph deriding the very concept of "conservative" being used to mean
- "on the right of the political spectrum." He was rather snotty about it,
- going on and on about how "Liberal" means this to him and "Conservative"
- means that and let's NOT help out those who want to "mutilate the
- language" and all that. I tried checking the feeds here on Nyx and also
- on my home site and, interestingly, his post had been expired *today*, but
- had been available when I looked at it yesterday. I had tried to express
- the point of view that talk.politics.conservative or
- talk.politics.usa.conservative would be fine, unambiguous names for the
- newsgroup. His reaction was that this would be mutilating the language
- and would invite sure and rapid confusion on the part of environmentalists.
-
- If your site keeps posts around a little longer, unread this thread and
- look for two posts in a row by Peter da Silva.
-
- I dropped the subject, more or less, after his post since I really didn't
- care a whole lot about whether this group comes about but DID care to see
- that people didn't rudely attempt to stick this group idea with a name
- like "talk.politics.retrogressive" or "talk.politics.reactionary", two
- names that were proposed. If you feel, as I do, that "conservative" has a
- very clear and obvious meaning in political terms, by all means support
- the concept of talk.politics.conservative.
-