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- From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
- Newsgroups: news.groups
- Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
- Message-ID: <BzqrD5.8JC@polaris.async.vt.edu>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 02:10:16 GMT
- References: <id.OF0W.KA@ferranti.com> <BzoFr6.5Bw@polaris.async.vt.edu> <id.US1W.YS3@ferranti.com>
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- In article <id.US1W.YS3@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
- >In article <BzoFr6.5Bw@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel K. Furr) writes:
- >> In article <id.OF0W.KA@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
- >> >(me, I always thought conservative meant, you know, conservative. Like the
- >> > Nature Conservancy, and the conservation movement... but if they want to
- >> > redefine this word I'll happily let them join the progressives in their
- >> > mutilation of the language)
- >
- >> Oh, come ON, Peter, don't be such a bleeding rocket scientist. Assuming
- >> you live in the USA, where has your mind BEEN for the last twelve years
- >> while we've had Presidents in the White House who only used the word
- >> "conservative" about every fifth word, and used it to mean
- >> right-of-the-political-center?
- >
- >Well, prior to 1980 I was in Australia, where the right-of-center party
- >is called the "Liberal Party", the left-of-center party is the "Labor Party",
- >and there are half a dozen other parties with significant voting blocs. You
- >know, a vibrant parlimentary democracy where you don't have to guess whether
- >"conservative" means "pro business", "religious fundamentalist", "anti
- >communist", "individual rights", "market economy", "small government",
- >"states rights", or something else. Or, for that matter whether "liberal"
- >means "pop ecology", "socialist", "individual rights", "managed economy",
- >"federalist", or something else.
-
- Which is why I recommend putting the word "usa" in the name. That way,
- any Australians who have an idea that conservative means "green" or
- "nature" politics will look at it and say "'talk.politics.usa.con-
- servative'. Well, that's a group that's about American politics. Let's go
- back to aus.conserve and hang out."
-
- If there were a us. hierarchy, I'd say "put this group there." But as
- mail trickles in from people explaining the us. hierarchy to me, I'd say
- that it's not real likely to be a functioning hierarchy anytime soon.
- Thus, the least ambiguous name would be "talk.politics.usa.conservative".
-