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- From: fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
- Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.192319.24726@shearson.com>
- Sender: news@shearson.com (News)
- Organization: Lehman Brothers
- References: <1992Dec19.221627.20632@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:23:19 GMT
- Lines: 119
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- In article <1992Dec19.221627.20632@midway.uchicago.edu> epc1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >Why is Sun losing touch with their customer base? First, they
-
- They have the lion's share of the workstation market. Who's
- losing touch with who's customer base?
-
- >use and continue to use a ridiculous, ugly windowing manager (olwm) despite
-
- Your opinion. I think mwm is ridiculous and fugly myself, but
- thats mho of course.
-
- >the fact that a majority of their users use mwm. OpenWindows is fine
- >but I want Sun to provide mwm. Yes, I hate paying $250 for a license
- >for every Sun we buy.
-
- Yeah and I hate paying $1500 to drop a Chevy engine whenever I
- buy a Ford. Why doesn't Ford just put Chevy engines into their
- cars? How stupid can they be? And I hate when I have to
- change the channel to watch ESPN, why doesn't ESPN move to
- CBS? I hate having to use my PC when EXCEL doesn't run on my
- SPARC, why doesn't Microsoft just port their stuff to SPARC
- and forget about NT?
-
- I hate dealing with adversity, why doesn't the world just
- change to the way that *I* like?
-
- >Now, Sun is abandoning SunOS!!! The question IS NOT why don't vendors
-
- Who sez? Solaris 2.X contains SunOS 5.0.
-
- >port their apps but WHY can't I run my old apps on new, faster hardware?
-
- Why can't you? As long as you're dynamically linked, your
- old apps will run. Sometimes to get further advances in software,
- you take a hit. Just like when we moved from Sunview to X,
- all our apps *initially* took a substantial hit due to the
- networking nature of X Window. But we re-architected our
- apps to take advantage of distributed computing so in the end
- they run faster.
-
- One of my clients had a CPU-bound process that took over 2 days to
- run. They could've bought a multi-million-dollar Cray to run this
- old app on faster hardware. But I re-architected this process
- into many pieces to run distributed (RPC) over their LAN on
- existing workstations. It now runs in 2 hours using a series
- of SS2's.
-
- >Sun is supposed to be custoemer responsive and built its successes on
- >meeting user's needs where traditional, large computer makers used
- >proprietary software and OS's. Now, they're telling everyone to
- >abandon their old knowledge and apps for a new OS. What does Solaris
-
- Gees where have you been for the last few years. They have
- been telling the Sun community for quite a loooong time this
- change was coming.
-
- >incorporate that they could not put into SunOS??? Buying old hardware
-
- A unified Unix. Something that the Unix market never, never
- had and something that the Unix market needs badly to compete
- with $BILL Gates. This splintering causes confusion and tells
- customers to be wary of Unix (one of the prime reasons why OSF was
- founed imho).
-
- >to support an old OS is not an option in my opinion. They should not
- >have caused such confusion in the first place.
-
- What confusion? Portability and new hardware are issues that
- every system manager handles on a day-to-day basis. This
- is no different.
-
- >If this is the direction that Sun is taking, then they will definitely
- >alienate people who bought their machines. Sun is no better and no
- >worse than other vendors who say, "do what we tell you to do when we
- >tell you to do it. if you don't listen to us, we won't supprt your old
- >os forever and you won't be able to run our newest and fastest machines"
-
- Oh puhleeze.
-
- 1.) Lest you forget, pick up the Wall Street Journal and look
- under the NASDAQ listings. Surprise! Sun is a public company
- in the company of Microsoft and Intel and Novell and Lotus
- and... They are not a FSF or a philantropic organization; they
- are a business. They have to satisfy their stockholders as
- well as their customers.
-
- 2.) Microsoft does this (does your DOS 1.0 FCB pgms run in a FAT 5.0
- environment?). IBM has been doing this for years on their mainframes.
- HP gives you several OS's, all incompatible with each other. Will
- your VAX/VMS apps run without porting (or re-compiling) on an Alpha
- running (ha!) OpenVMS? I wonder if my future HDTV set will improve
- the b&w HoneyMooners reruns? Wonder why your CD player cannot
- play your old LP's?
-
- It's called progress.
-
- >This is the straw which will cause me to stop being Suns and start
- >purchasing new machines which seem more customer-oriented. I
-
- I suggest trying "License MS Windows from Us or Else" Microsoft.
-
- >have been really impressed with the way DEC is remanaging their
- >business and producing fast machines (i.e. Alpha). I hate the
-
- If you're impressed with DEC, I have some land in Florida that
- you might be interested in.
-
- >fact that our group works on VAXs, MIPs machines, and SUNs. However,
- >with this ultimatum by Sun, I will not continue to purchase their
- >machines.
-
- That's what a free market allows you to do. Have fun.
-
- Frank G. :)
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