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- From: aad@siemens.com. (Anthony Datri)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
- Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
- Message-ID: <111837@siemens.siemens.com>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 14:44:30 GMT
- References: <BzEq5s.Ez0@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> <richard.724631493@dutepp13> <1992Dec18.073524.29535@ncsu.edu>
- Sender: news@siemens.siemens.com
- Organization: Siemens Corp. Res., Inc.
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- >|> >What a bunch of lemmings. :-(
-
- In my book, subscribing to *either* is lemmingness when there are plenty of
- other toolkits out there. When I want a button, I want just a button. No
- art-deco borders, no cheesy Jaws-in-3D effects, no fake shadows.
-
- >|> I also prefer Open Look over Motif.
-
- While it is notable that XView is available at a reasonable price, it's also
- true that when I ported the XView3 code to Convex machines I found heaps of
- bugs. Tokens after #endifs. Integers passed to routines that really wanted
- pointers to integers.
-
- >Motif comes from the Open Software Foundation.
-
- They sell a toolkit that implements it and a window manager that uses it.
-
- >Either source or binary form costs money.
-
- I don't have a problem with it costing money, but I *do* have a problem with
- it costing lots of money.
-
- >OSF and Sun don't mix well, since OSF was created by the BIG computer companies
- >in response to Sun's market presence.
-
- Sun and AT&T aren't "BIG"?
-
- >Open Look (I assume the complaint is about the olwm window manager) is just
- >X11R4 plus the XView libraries.
-
- You've half-described "OpenWindows". "Open Look", just like "Motif", is a
- specification, not a product.
-
- >that is just my experience. Since XView is smaller
-
- Ever build it from source? There's quite a bit more of it than the OSF's
- Motif toolkit's. The libraries are bigger, too:
-
- A third-party vendor's library of the OSF's toolkit:
-
- -rwxr-xr-x 1 bin 1193984 Mar 18 1992 /local/scr/questwin/lib/X11/libXm.a*
-
- XView as provided by Sun's OW3:
-
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root 1767570 Sep 26 1991 /usr/openwin/lib/libxview.a
-
- >the executables such as olwm require 1/3 to 1/2 of the memory to run as mwm.
- >Most folks I know don't have unlimited memory resources.
-
- Run twm.
-
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