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- From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
- Subject: Re: QM vs Eudora/POP (was Re: QM vs MS Mail)
- Message-ID: <C03C5n.I1I@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- References: <1992Dec16.003013.3027@NOC.Vitalink.COM> <BzqE9G.8no@SSD.intel.com> <C01IK5.64A@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <alain-301292105754@besouro.linguist.jussieu.fr>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:10:20 GMT
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- alain@linguist.jussieu.fr writes:
-
- >In article <C01IK5.64A@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim
- >McKay) wrote:
-
- >[discussion on relative merits of QuickMail and Eudora/POP 3]
-
- >>
- >> That was all fixed well over a year ago and tweaked in rel 2.5.1.
-
- >It wasn't fixed in the release (2.5a) that I installed less than a year
- >ago, and last I heard it still wasn't. Specifically, you cannot administer
- >a mail >server remotely; you also cannot use it as an AppleShare server. Is this
- >fixed >now ?
-
- I used Timbucktu 3.0.1 to remotely adminster a monitorless QM 2.2.3
- server and am now doing so with the latest version of QM admin. You can use
- the AppleShare server as a QM server as well but the speed is not good.
- Nevertheless I know folks who are doing just that.
-
- >> ****************************************************************************
- >> The following highlight some of the differences between QuickMail and Eudora
- >>
- >> by Jim McKay with contributions from U OF I mail users and adminstrators.
-
- >[lots of interesting stuff deleted]
-
- >Something to add to the list: the way QM and Eudora support several
- >users on a single machine. This is important for sites
- >that cannot afford a Mac or PC for each user.
-
- >Eudora handles the situation very well: each user has his own Eudora
- >folder,
- >and starts up Eudora from there, using his own mailboxes, preference
- >settings, etc.. Security conscious users can keep their folder on a
- >diskette.
-
- >QM doesn't handle multiple users so well. For one thing users often forget
- >to log out ("disconnect") when they quit, so when other users try to
- >connect
- >they find someone already logged in. For another, the mail folder
- >hierarchies of different users are not distinct, so each user sees
- >folders created by other users (even if he cannot read their contents).
- >I think (I'm not sure) address books are also specific to the client
- >machine and therefore common, as are QM preference settings.
-
- That's a very good point.
-
- >Another important difference is the way a single account can be accessed
- >from several machines. If you use Eudora, you can access the underlying
- >Unix mail account using TELNET or Eudora from any Mac on the Internet,
- >even you're running Eudora on another Mac at the same time. To avoid
- >having incomplete mailboxes all over the place, one simply configures
- >Eudora on all Macs but a "main" one to put mail back on the Unix server
- >after reading it. All mail eventually winds up in the main machine's
- >mailbox when Eudora polls the unix server from that machine. Unfortunately
-
- >you cannot access mailboxes on one Mac from another Mac.
-
- >QM stores mail on the server (except archived mail, which lives on the
- >client)
- >so one can in principle access it from any Mac (or PC) connected to the
- >same
- >Appletalk network as the server. Access via the Internet is impossible,
- >whether
- >with a QM client or with TELNET.
-
- Yup brought that up. Although, there is might be something up Apple's sleeve
- that takes care of this. Cough Cough.
-
-
- > You cannot connect to your QM account if >you're
- >connected elsewhere (QM ludicrously suggests "choose another name"!). You
- >must go and disconnect first. This happens often enough to be very
- >annoying.
-
- Yes indeedy--this can be annoying if you try to log in from the fifth
- floor when you are already logged in in the basement.
-
- >> * A basic QuickMail server with an SMTP gateway can easily be generated
- >> in less than a half hour.
-
- >Maybe that's true IF you get LOTs of things right the first time. It took
- >me a week to get IE's SMTP\QM gateway working, with daily e-mail support
- >from the developper, tho I guess I'm atypically slow and snag-prone :-(
- >Perhaps other gateway software is easier to install?
-
- Assuming you know your IP #s for your hosts file, Mail*link for QuickMail
- is cake. Mail*Link is, IMHO, the best, although I'm not an experienced user
- of all of the gateway products..
-
- >The QM conference window (as many other dialogs in QM) is modal, so your
- >Mac is frozen during the conference. No flipping to other applications,
- >no cut and paste. That makes it useless.
-
- That sure is a defect and should have never been programmed that way--like
- I said, Eudora is pure craftsmanship and QuickMail could occassionally be
- called "QuirkMail". Yet, QuickConferencing is somewhat popular. Although
- I personally use UNIX "Talk", I think that you're going overboard in saying
- that QuickConference is useless.
-
- Somone (was it me?) once said that Eudora is like a VW Beetle and
- QuickMail is like a Chevy Celebrity. I personnally like that comparison.
-