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- From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
- Subject: Re: QM vs Eudora/POP (was Re: QM vs MS Mail)
- Message-ID: <C033KD.MDr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- References: <1992Dec16.003013.3027@NOC.Vitalink.COM> <BzqE9G.8no@SSD.intel.com> <C01IK5.64A@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <sdorner-291292174426@dorner.slip.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:04:46 GMT
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- sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:
-
- >In article <C01IK5.64A@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim
- >McKay) wrote:
-
- >> * Eudora is a solid and well-crafted piece of programming.
-
- >Thanks for the vote of confidence; from my vantage point things don't
- >always look so good. :-)
-
- The artist is always his own biggest critic. Steve--such the perfectionist.
- >
- >> * Addressing in Eudora tends to rely more heavily on textual input
- >> while QuickMail tends to rely more heavily on graphical, point and click
- >> addressing schemes.
-
- >Dunno. Eudora has menus from which mail can be generated, and a Nicknames
- >window (in 1.3) from which mail can also be generated, no typing necessary.
- > Finally, the "Make Nickname" command (also in 1.3) lets you make new
- >nicknames with a minimum of fuss.
-
- >It's my understanding that it's (somewhat) awkward to address mail to
- >someone not already on a QM menu.
-
- It may not be as easy as typing in the "To:" field like one can with Eudora.
- It's just not straight forward for a Mac app, though not diificult once
- one knows how.
-
- >> * QuickMail has a NameServer database that is easily editable to include names
- >> and address both on and off campus.
-
- >How many names?
-
- Supposedly unlimited. Of course I've personally never tested that so I can
- just say that about 200 users works fine and with quick service. Argonne
- National Lab has one of the largest QuickMail systems I know of and would
- guess they have quite a few more users than that on their QM "Nameserver",
- geussing at least 500.
-
- >> * With a POP3 Server/Eudora solution, one needs to be the administrator of the
- >> POP3 server in order to have control and customize it's nameserver.
-
- >You mean you need to be administrator of the 'ph' server, don't you?
-
- Indeed I do mean "ph" in the case of a POP mail server while on QM, the
- equivalent of ph, including off site internet address added by the QM
- administrator is part of the QM Nameserver.
-
- >> * QuickMail users can search the NameServer database by just typing a
- >> few characters of part of the name.
-
- >You can do this with Eudora nicknames.
-
- Yes, but it is handled a little differently and to some is not quite as
- intuitive.
-
- >Once again, a feature that's nice for a LAN, irrelevant for an internet.
-
- Seen this used once where someone sent out an erroneous message to about 180
- folks. The lmail was "Unsent" before it was sent through the SMTP gateway.
-
- >> * QuickMail's Mail Log of outgoing messages resides in the same window
- >> as the active mail. Eudora requires one to go to the Mailbox menu and
- >> select and open various mailboxes/folders.
-
- >On the other hand, I do not believe QuickMail has the same organizational
- >capability for mail that Eudora does.
-
- QuickMail's folder organization is similar in that users can create and
- organize into as many folders as they like; yet they cannnot (to the best
- of knowledge) organize into subfolders as one can in Eudora. How much
- nesting and "foldering" one needs is one individual consideration.
-
- >> * QuickMail has Voice Mail capabilities. Eudora does not.
-
- >Personally, I'm not sure voice mail is a plus, but that's a whole different
- >story. :-)
-
- Exactly. For one thing, I personally find it to be a novelty for most
- people's needs at this point in practical computing history. Also it takes
- up a lot of disk space and a lot of users feel awkward getting audible mail
- due to privacy and the attention it draws to a user in an office environment.
- It's a social context most folk aren't used to.
-
- >> * QuickMail has a conferencing feature.
-
- >On the local LAN, right?
-
- Exactly. Sorry to vague about that.
-
- >> * An option to send QM messages to pagers will shortly be available from
- >> a third party.
-
- >Qualcomm does this now with Internet mail.
-
- >I think the choice between Eudora and QuickMail boils down to a few things:
-
- >1. What percentage of mail is exchanged with the world outside your LAN?
- >The bigger the percentage, the less attractive QM's features are.
- >2. Do you now run a UNIX or other mainframe-type operating system? If the
- >answer is no, Eudora is much less appetizing.
-
- On one site, the co-admisitrator of the QM mail system could never deal
- with UNIX.
-
- >3. How many users will you have to support? The bigger the number, the
- >more likely you want Eudora.
-
- >4. How much money do you want to spend? (This used to be a clear win for
- >Eudora, since Eudora is free. However, now that Apple charges a LOT for
- >MacTCP, you have the same trade-off as for the other things; QM is better
- >(cheaper) for a small number, Eudora is better (cheaper) for a large
- >number, or a site already with MacTCP.)
-
- Speaking of dollars there's also the issue of the cost of a Mac mail host
- versus a Unix host. And yes, Eudora is free now but someday...
-
- At the same time, I feel QuickMail (and MS Mail and cc:Mail) are overpriced.
-
- >Which really all are the same question: Are you more interested in your
- >LAN or the Internet?
-
- >(I don't mean that as a rhetorical question; rather, it's a very practical
- >question, that different people will answer in different ways.)
- >--
- >Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
-
- A couple of additional issues:
-
- CE is working on a Netware based QM host. But I wouldn't plan on it until it
- is released.
-
- It is extremely awkward to run QuickMail on a PC that also needs to
- run other protocols besides AppleTalk.
-