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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: EISA/MCA *or* Local Bus? Which is better for multitasking?
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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:22:14 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan1.172109.12026@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >IBM has stated numerous times it will be delivering a LocalBus/MCA
- >dual architecture machine (or two :-)) in the near future. It is not
- >yet clear whether that LocalBus design will be VESA or Intel PCI, but
- >it will be one of the two.
-
-
- Does anybody know what physical connector PCI will be using?
- VESA uses the same as MCA (well, 1/2 ISA, 1/2 MCA).
-
-
- >I wouldn't exactly call MCA dead, by the way. It has a far larger
- >market share than EISA (with no sign of change there; perhaps the
- >opposite, in fact), and it is part of the third (or second, depending
- >on whose figures you believe) best selling workstation line (the IBM
- >RS/6000). It is available from third parties, notably NCR and Reply.
-
-
- But not many. hopefully, new systems will be done right. Like
- the Power PC. But I wouldn't expect MCA to penetrate any further
- into the low end thanks to LB, since most users don't need/want
- anythingmore than HS video and HS storage. That's all going
- to fit on a 3 slot LB system with a slot to spare.
-
-
- >While I'm on this subject, LocalBus isn't the only new bus
- >architecture vying for a place. PCMCIA is also in the running, and
- >you'll see machines from IBM (both desktop and notebook) with PCMCIA
- >slots. They each have a place.
-
-
- PCMCIA is having a few growing pains (standardization
- problems). Anyways, it's not terribly better than the other
- offerings--and certainly not as good as some of them. It's
- only advantage would be to allow easy transfer between
- a notebook and a desktop machine--i.e. flash ram disks,
- kittyhawks, whatever. It is *extremely* unlikely that it will
- everbe more than a 1 or 2 slot luxury on a desktop system.
-
-
- >I should also mention that several vendors (IBM and Compaq, notably)
- >have had "LocalBus" video adapters for some time. By placing the
- >video on the motherboard these manufacturers did not have to worry
- >about AT bus limitations.
-
-
- Not true. Amstrad offered on-the-motherboard graphics
- as far back as 1984. These integrated video motherboards
- offered little or no speed advantage over their ISA
- kin. to be precise, in fact, these integrated displays
- WERE on the AT bus, just like integrated HD controllers
- used to be.
-
- They were certainly not local bus by any stretch of the
- imagination, and even if they had been (they weren't) they
- must have been pretty miserable designs: no speed advantage,
- and they couldn't be upgraded when a newer standard came along.
- In many cases, they couldn't even be disabled, meaning that
- to upgrade the video you had to replace the motherboard
- with a standard ISA system.
-
- They were, essentially, lousy.
-
-
-
- >(True LocalBus, of course, offers up to
- >three slots, which means the video circuitry can be replaced and still
- >stay local.)
-
-
- Having "slots" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what
- "local bus" really means.
-
- --
- Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
-
- --- boycott == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice ---
- Pain teaches.
-