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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Gateway vs. Austin questions
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:17:42 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.144306.18594@inmet.camb.inmet.com> lipsett@lido.camb.inmet.com (Roger Lipsett) writes:
- >
- >I am in the process of shopping for a possible new clone. I have called
- >both GW2000 and Austin computers, and they have offered me the following
- >alleged deals:
-
-
- Might try one of the ney Hyundai machines. Nice quality,
- cheap, and allof the features (ATI Ultra Pro LB) that Gateway
- is offering.
-
-
- >Austin: 486 DX2/50, 8Mb, 210Mb WD hard disk, WD Paradise card (1024x768x256
-
- This video card is so/so. The ATI
- ultra pro on the Gatrway will toast it, and the local
- bus implementation just makes it more so.
-
-
- >NI, "GUI accelerated"), and a CTX 14: CPS5468NI (upgrade to 15" flat-screen
- >CPS1560 for $150). Price is $2386 plus shipping with the 14" monitor. I
- >would almost certainly get the 15" monitor, which would make the price $2536
- >plus shipping.
- >
- >Gateway: 486 DX2/50, 8Mb, 250Mb WD hard disk (local bus IDE), ATI Ultra Pro
-
-
- Get the DX-2/66. the price difference makes it worth it. If
- you can't get the DX2/66, get the DX/33. Don't bother with the
- DX-2/50. Furthermore, if you can afford it, go ahead and
- get 16 megs on both systems.
-
-
- >local bus video, 15" Mag flat-screen MX15 without autosizing (this,
- >according to the GW salesperson, is the only difference between the GW 15"
- >monitor and the standard MX15, and "it's no big deal"). Price is $2695 plus
- >shipping.
- >
- >I am (perhaps overly, perhaps not) worried about monitor clarity and
- >quality, having been burned by my first purchase, the standard GW2000
- >Crystal Scan 1024NI, which is, putting it politely, not very good.
-
-
- So don't buy from either. The Gateway monitor is so/so. I found
- better quality (flatter, darker-black screen, sharper) in a
- Sampo Alphascan 15. (It doesn't support refresh rates as high,
- tho). My Nec monitor is even nicer. If you can, go with the
- Nec. There are basically two things you're stuck with once
- you buy your system--processor and monitor--always buy the best
- that you can for both, because the cost of replacing them is
- much higher than for anything else (memory, storage, video card).
-
- Also, check that all systems you're looking at have the 16550
- and not 8250's. (Or at least have socketed 16450s)..
-
-
- >So, in addition to soliciting general advice about these two systems, I have
- >the following specific questions:
- >1. Is the ATI Ultra Pro card the same as the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro? I
- > assume not, but it's impossible to tell from the advertising. If not,
- > what are the differences?
-
-
- Same card, but the local bus version easily whips the
- ISA version, even more so when comparing straight VGA
- programs (for instance, two or three copies on a 16 meg
- DX266 under OS/2 of Wing Commander all run too blindingly
- fast to play on the LB machine, while an identical non-LB
- machine bogs down)
-
-
- >2. How does GUI acceleration compare to local bus implementations in terms
- > of overall Windows performance? My family tends to be rather heavy
- > Windows users. Another question: how stable are the VESA local bus
- > standards, and do they really provide enough end-user benefit that they
- > will survive even for the presumed useful life of this machine?
-
-
- Well, there's the rub. However, you're already getting a video
- card that is probably going to be adequate for several
- years. After that, you'll want to replace a lot more than
- just the video card--monitor and cpu come to mind. I wouldn't
- worry about it.
-
-
- >3. How is the WD Paradise card compared to the ATI Ultra Pro card?
- > Interesting comparisons are: performance, RAM, refresh rates,
- > resolutions, etc.
-
-
- The ATI, IMHO, is better. OTOH, if you're going to be running OS/2,
- neither will help because there aren't any drivers. If OS/2 is
- a priority, consider a different card.
-
- Gateway will promise OS/2 drivers--DO NOT BELIEVE THEM.
-
- Might try Zeos--they claim drivers too, but I don't know if I
- trust them. They were unwilling to give me details about a
- lot of their system (they wouldn't even tell me the answer to the
- 16550 question) so I chose not to order from them.
-
-
- >4. How about the monitors? I have seen the CTX 15" at a store, and it
- > appeared to be pretty good in terms of clarity. I've never seen the MAG
- > 15". What I really want is an NEC 3FG (or 4FG), but probably can't
- > afford it. Does anyone have experience with both of these monitors?
- > How do they compare for clarity, reliability, etc.? Should I try to
- > stretch to a 3FG?
-
-
- Go ahead. To be honest, anything more than 800x600 on a 14"er
- is kind of a waste.
-
-
- >Finally, I more or less know what I'm getting from Gateway - I already have
- >one of their systems. How is Austin as a company? Do they have decent tech
- >support? My experience with GW has been that I generally know more about
- >the problem than the person to whom I end up speaking, but they have been
- >responsive in terms of sending out updated drivers, mounting rails, etc.
- >Their hold time problems seem to be much better these days too.
- >
- >Are there any other mail-order companies I should be looking at?
-
-
- Zeos, Dell. Dell, especially. Also, take a look at the new
- systems from IBM and Compaq--they're not that bad. And if you're
- looking at a non-LB ISA system, consider skipping the hassle of
- mail order altogether and buying local from a company like Accel--
- I can find better deals local on such generic systems than I can
- find in Computer Shopper.
-
-
-
- --
- Blaming society for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
- ---
- Do I even need to point out that my views do not represent
- those of my employer, institution or relations?
-