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- From: "steven baldassarra" <steven.baldassarra@canrem.com>
- Subject: avro cf-105 arrow
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.3211.16712@dosgate>
- Reply-To: "steven baldassarra" <steven.baldassarra@canrem.com>
- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 00:27:59 EST
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- To: Joel Murray
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- JM>· Newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
- JM>· Message-ID: <18676@mindlink.bc.ca>
- JM>· Subject: F16 Characteristics
-
- JM>Robert O'Brien writes:
- > Msg-ID: <1992Dec17.202136.15444@netcom.com>
- > Posted: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:21:3
- >
- > Org. : Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
- >
- > The CF-100 and CF-105 were indigenous products of Canadair. I'm _NOT_ very
- > expert on them, but the CF-105 was a BIG strike bomber, somewhere
- > between a B-58 and FB-111 in mission/performance, and a lot like
- > the TSR of Britain. I think it was late fifties/early sixties, and
- > apparently, political forces were so afraid that this plane would perform,
- > that they not only cancelled it, but broke up the prototype, such that all
- > the Canadian air museum has is the landing gear and much of the nose
- > section.
- > Any Canadian buffs care to contribute? This exhausts _my_ knowledge
- > of the subject.
-
- JM>The plane to which you are referring is the Avro Arrow. Unfortunately, I
- JM>can't seem to find any reference material right now... :-(
-
- I found the original comment that the CF-100 Clunk and the CF-105 Arrow are
- related to the F-100 Super Sabre and F-105 Thud, respectively, to be mildly
- insulting.
- Anyway, the Avro (A.V. Roe) CF-105 Arrow could've reached Mach 2 with its
- Orenda Iroquois engines while the Brits were still tinkering with the subsonic
- Swift and Scimitar. The Arrow also had a two-place (pilot and WSO), FBW flight
- controls, and an internal weapons bay that can hold four Sparrows or six
- Falcon AAMs. (Sounds awfully like the F-22 and F-23, eh?)
- Heck, even when in 1957 the Brits passed a bill that cancelled the further
- development of manned fighters like the TSR-2, in the end they still had the
- Hawker Hunter.
-
- There are about eight to ten books on the Arrow (check out the Aviation
- conference if you're able), the most recently published is "Storms of
- Controversy" by an author whose name I've forgotten. Some of the titles are
- (approximately) "The Fall of the Arrow", "Flying the Avro Arrow", "The Shutdown
- of a National Dream", and "There Never Was an Arrow".
-
- JM> Joel Murray / Vancouver, British Columbia / Canada, Eh?
- JM> Joel_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca CIS: 73200,3117
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- JM>Ligneous and petrous projectiles can potentially fracture my osseous
- JM>structure, but pejorative appellations will forever remain innocuous.
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- JM>From: Joel_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Joel Murray)
- JM>Subject: Re: F16 Characteristics
- JM>Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
- JM>Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:32:51 GMT
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