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- From: John.Carver@launchpad.unc.edu (John Carver)
- Subject: Re: a MB style flame against IBMs
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.165031.1001@samba.oit.unc.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:50:31 GMT
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- >>: >Jeff, you didn't take that post seriously, did you? It was just some
- >>:
- >>: No, Jerry. It was a 'real life, everyday experience' that the guy had using
-
- >Well I've heard this story many times from many different people, so I
- >doubt that he's making it up. Although I avoid pc's like the plague, I
-
- I believe I can settle this.
-
- It was a real life experience. Well, partly I posted it to make fun of
- MB, but mostly out of aggrivation. (Actually, if I had wanted to really
- imitate MB, I would have posted it to a bunch of comp.sys.ibm groups,
- and I'd keep poking my nose in comp.sys.ibm.misc and demanding that
- MS-DOS get the Commodities Exchange or IBM will surely fold).
-
- Here's another I forgot to mention. I always knew MS-DOS had
- bran-dammaged filenames (8 chars + 3, all upper case). I figured
- Windows 3.1 must surely fix that by now. Hah! Guess again! The
- Windows 3.1 still has 8+3 upper case. Maybe there is a way to switch on
- real filenames in Windows, but my friend didn't know of it, if there was.
-
- Well, I know that OS/2 fixes this little problem. But there are still
- *lots* of people using Windows 3.1 - hell, there are still the majority
- of users still on MS-DOS. You'd figure, that in 10 years of
- development, a company with the resources of IBM could fix this for
- MS-DOS! I find 8+3 filenames simply intolerable - instead of a
- filename of "F-18_Eschelon_flyby.Anim", you get stuff like
- "F-18ESFB.ANI". Well, OK, never mind the multi-billion dollar IBM for
- a moment. You'd figure Microsoft could fix it for Windows 3.1.
- Microsoft is, I believe, far bigger than CBM is.
-
- And yet another. My friend has a tape drive on his 486. Guess what!
- **There is no device file for the tape drive accessable by the OS**!!
- That's right! You have to run a special software package to access the
- tape drive. You can't get at it from *anywhere* else! We wanted to do
- the equivilant of "copy ser: tape:" on the clone. No dice. Think you
- can use "tar" to acess the tape? Sorry, since there is no device for
- the tape, you can't. We wanted to connect the Amiga to the IBM, do
- something like "tar -cf SER: DH0:" on the Amiga to send an archive of
- the Amiga's disk to the serial port, and save this to the IBM's tape.
- I said I can easily set up the Amiga half, with a single command line.
- He said there was no way to do "copy ser: tape:" on the IBM though, and
- the dedicate tape access program certainly didn't let you do it. So
- here's a question for the Windows 3.1 guru's out there - HOW THE HECK
- DO YOU DO "copy ser: tape:"???? We would really like to get this
- working. I tested it out on two Amigas (one sends the archive to the
- serial port, the other copies the incoming serial data to the tape), and
- it works like a charm, so I'm sure the concept is valid. Hell, I bet I
- could just as easily connect an Amiga and pretty much any Unix machine
- through the serial cable and do that. But the real need here is to go
- to a Windows machine.
-
- I just have trouble getting over how ungodly primitive these things
- are. I'm sure OS/2 is better, but man, you'd think they'd have fixed up
- MS-DOS and Windows a little given 10 years. CBM, a much smaller
- company, has made large improvements in their operating system -
- they've added DATA types, public screens, commodities, even an MS-DOS
- filesystem shipped as part of AmigaDos, they're about to add
- retargetble graphics, etc. Yet IBM can't get long filenames or a
- stinking device file for the tape drive! I'd even go so far as to say
- the tape drive under Windows is damn near useless. You're stuck with
- their one proprietary tape acess program for their own special card that
- somehow interfaces with the floppy disk controller (!???).
-
- So anyway its a true to life experience of an Amiga user who tried
- Windows 3.1 and was severely underwhelmed. I'll stop back in 3 or 4
- more years to check in on Windows NT. Maybe by then "DOS" machines
- will have cought up to the Amiga. My acid test will be the ability to
- do the equivilant of "copy ser: tape:" on the NT box. If we can do it,
- then I will believe and maybe convert. Else, no dice. I do'nt want
- to get into OS/2, since I think Windows NT will kill it. NT isn't here
- yet, and it'll be a while anyway before it is supported enough to be
- useful. We'll see. Eventually clones are bound to take over the
- world, I suppose, not from any staggering degree of competence, but
- through mediocrity and large numbers.
-
- John
-
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