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- From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
- Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:43:55 GMT
- Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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- In article <1992Dec31.154916.16022@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
- >Don't you think that for some people, VM, MP, DIG, etc., may be worth a few
- >extra CPU cycles? If real-time response is always the most important thing,
- >why do all these other OS's bother with all these other things?
-
- With VM, it isn't the CPU cycles that drop your performance like a
- rock...
-
- And how many real-time OSes _HAVE_ VM? Think about it. Sure, you'll
- see lots of bloated pigs with it, but...
-
- >You're ducking the fact that it's an advantage. The benefit is that it works
- >with all types of video, cheap SVGA to super-fast coprocessed video. You say
- >that there are many incompatible graphics standards on the PC? Take a look
-
- It _IS_ an advantage. But the fact that it's _REQUIRED_ lessens the
- impact of that advantage. That's like saying "xxx uses yyy", when it
- MUST have yyy in order to run.
-
- >at the Amiga! You've got three different chipsets from Commodore, and several
- >high-end graphics cards which are compatible only with themselves. Wouldn't
- >it be nice to have the Resolver work with all Amiga software?
-
- Of course it would. And we have RTG for the three chipsets, the OCS,
- ECS, and AGA. The OS treats them identically. Hardware-wise, OCS and
- ECS are nearly identical (on the outside...). And since RTG will give
- us all of the advantages of the high-end cards (which are not
- STANDARD... The only STANDARDS that exist on the Amiga for graphics
- are the three chipsets, and that's it. Everything else is
- application-dependent, currently, unlike the IBM world where there's a
- new standard for the same old shit every morning, and everyone has
- their own version of the standard... Take SVGA for example. What is
- it? Is it 640x480, as the original SVGA cards were, or is it
- 1024x768? 800x600? Is it a 24-bit pallete instead of a 15-bit one?
- Is it a truecolor display? Nobody knows.)
-
- >And that much more advantageous!
-
- Again, it IS an advantage. But that advantage is greatly reduced by
- it's NECESSITY. That same advantage exists for nearly all
- productivity software on the IBM, each coming with its own graphics
- drivers. On those systems, it's referred to as a pain in the ass, not
- an advantage.
-
- >: Seriously. Ever see a lemming scream
- >: seconds after he should have?
-
- >No.
-
- It doesn't happen on the Amiga. It's real cute to watch stuff on an
- IBM system running Windows because the sound is nearly NEVER on cue.
-
- >Windows does give you virtual DOS. But the two products are unbundled because
- >MS can make more money that way.
-
- I don't believe that's the only reason, I never have, and your point
- below proves it. I do know a good bit about Windows, and frankly, the
- more I learn about it, the less I like it.
-
- >Absolutely incorrect. You have no basis for saying this. Windows certainly
- >contains code which allows it to co-reside with the original copy of DOS which
- >loaded it, but while it runs, DOS is dormant, and practically no DOS code is
- >being used.
-
- "practically no DOS code is being used". That is NOT _NONE_. And if
- it wishes to escape the kludges brought from MS-DOS itself, then it
- MUST be NONE. DOS must be totally unnecessary as anything but
- bootstrap. You don't use bootstrap code within your OS, do you?
-
- Greg
-
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