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- From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
- Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:13:47 GMT
- Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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- Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
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- In a previous article, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) says:
-
- >In article <1992Dec14.140513.662@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:
- >>In article <92347.032705MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs
- >><MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
- >>> Yes, I've seen it. It scales the moving images to the size of the window,
- >>> and dithers it if there aren't enough bitplanes for all the colors. This
- >>> might be impressive if not for the fact that it ends up running so slow
- >>> (on a Mac Quadra!!) as to be essentially useless. The Amiga 500 I used to
- >>> own animated full-screen up to sixty times faster than QuickTime on a
- >>> Quadra.
- >>> I reiterate, sophisticated bells and whistles mean little when the
- >>> program does not accomplish its main function!
- >>
- >>No, no, no. QuickTime does much more than what you describe. Please
- >>re-read Evan Torrie's remarks:
- >
- >Oh, no. Another Amiga wanna-be pumping up his mac!
- >
- Don't even get me started on a bandwagon against the Amiga (but this IS
- the advocacy group...) <grin>. Read on.
-
- >>
- >>" Oh no, not again. Please, please, please, read some QuickTime
- >>developer's documentation. QuickTime does far more than just bitblt
- >>moving images to the screen."
- >>
- >>To which I'd add: Or resize them. Or dither to a different pixel depth.
- >>
- >>If you really want a reasonable technical description of everything
- >>QuickTime entails, please follow his advice and reference the developers'
- >>docs.
- >
- >Again, what is the point? Your own posting indicates that QT only BEGINS
- >to provide entry-level animation (30 fps 320x240 ... w-o-w) on the top
- >of the line macintoshes? It is quite pitiful, actually.
- >
- Once again we get our arrogant Amigophile with the "My Amiga can do
- anything" attitude. Sure- it can do anything but become a major contender
- in the market here in the states for sure. QuickTime has won countless
- awards for software design and technology. I don't seem to see too many
- awards for Commodore (or their blundering baffoonities). QuickTime can run
- on almost ANY Macintosh at any selected pixel depth. IT allows users to do
- cheap multimedia and is in NO way designed to be used for high end super
- duper professional work. Its an ENHANCMENT. Keep in mind with the release
- of the PowerPC in the fall of 1993 with new multimedia technology the new
- PowerMacs will make the Amiga look like a toy.
-
- >In other words, whatever it does, it needs to do less of it, because
- >the underlying graphics a5rchitecture is antiquated and slow. The
- >QT facility fails to provide adequate animation on even the average mac
- >and it is a statement about how little the Mac can accomplish in real-time
- >work.
- >
- >>
- >>Also, I believe your numbers are a bit off. Using QT 1.5 I run 320 x 240
- >>animations at 30 fps on my Quadra 950 on a 16 bit/pixel screen.
- >
- >That may be something to be proud of on a mac using QT, but it
- >is so far behind Amiga animation capabilities it is laughable.
- >
- My my my, are we arrogant today or what? This has blown up into yet
- another "My computer is better than YOUR computer" or "My daddy is gonna
- beat up your daddy" argument. I will fully agree with you that the Amiga
- can do video and animation better than the Macintosh can, but you are
- placing QUICKTIME against professional authoring tools here, of which
- QuickTime CAN do, but isn't designed to do. Take some of the new video
- boards available for the Macintosh- full screen, 24-bit 30fps cards to USE
- QuickTIme and make it the "next big thing"....QuickTime needed and still
- needs time to mature, and 3rd party developers are scrambling to get their
- video equipment released. There is a plephoria of stuff available to get
- QuickTIme to run as well as an Amiga can do video work- just call RasterOps
- and Radius.
-
- >>I doubt
- >>your A500 runs 60 times faster than that.
- >
- >Just the fact that an 8 MHz 68000-based machine can do better
- >at all that your $10,000 Quadra says it all. And they call the
- >Mac a GRAPHICALLY-ORIENTED MACHINE?
- >
- Maybe some castor oil would help? First of all, ignorance is shown in the
- above statement of a $10,000 Quadra. A Quadra 700 (68040@25mhz) in a 4/240
- setup will set one back about $4199. A Quadra 950 (68040@33mhz) will set
- you back about $6599 in an 8/260 setup. (RAM/HARDDISK). Yes, more expensive
- than the Amiga- but which computer (or company) has a better chance at
- existence 5 or 10 years from now. I think that in your vocabulary, because
- the MAcintosh can't do 30fps in a Classic II configuration its not a
- serious computer. Sorry, my fault. That's why so many businesses I see
- using Amigas are out there. Get real. You sound like a PC dork now.
-
- >>Running anims on your A500
- >>isn't doing what QT is doing.
- >
- >Very true. The Amiga 600 isn't skipping frames, providing pitiful
- >jerky animation.
- >
- "And let slip the dogs of war."
-
- >>If I just want a simple animation player,
- >>I'll use something like MacroMind Director/Accelerator. Using this
- >>off-the-shelf software with no special tricks, my Q950 will animate at
- >>over 90 fps on a 640 x 480 8 bit/pixel display.
- >
- >But it won't load up the next animation frames while SMOOTHLY displaying
- >the next. It won't run OTHER GENERIC MAC SOFTWARE in the background
- >while animating.
- >
- Its better than running NO AMIGA SOFTWARE in the background. If you're
- doing animation work, you really wouldn't be wanting to do too much other
- stuff. Oh I forget, your super-duper Amiga can do 15 tasks in the
- background (including formatting two disks at once with no slowdown and
- feeding starving Somali's at that) and animate at the same time. I keep
- forgetting that while I animate I like to do spreadsheet work. (WHAT?)
- Granted the Ami can multitask well, but the rest of the world could care
- less.
-
- >And why don't we stop talking about Quadras? It's always
- >mind-boggling the number of times PC & MAC fanatics want to compare
- >the animation capabilies of their QUADRAS and 486's to an Amiga 600!
- >Notice they NEVER allow a 4000 (the flagship amiga) to enter the fray!
- >
- Because Commodore isn't taken seriously- its their own damned fault.
-
- >Hey one of you 4000 owners... how fast can you animate 640x480x8?
- >
- Hey, 4000 owners- how many seriously taken business aps are there out
- there? How many AMigas are in business? How many computers have a long
- future?
- >>I do believe that you've seen QT running dog-slow on a Quadra.
- >
- >That's big of you. Anyone out there who HASN'T?
- >
- Evidently you.
-
- >>Heck, I
- >>can make any machine run slow if is set things up right (wrong?).
- >
- >I can make a mac run slow even easier than that... just turn it on!
- >
- And I can make business people laugh by showing them an Amiga. ITs all
- relative.
-
- >>I've
- >>seen many Mac dealers demoing Quadras with the 040 cache off and running
- >>all software from a CD-ROM. Talk about crippling the machine!
- >
- >That brings up the fact how computer-ignorant the average mac owner is.
- >Did you know that for the system 7 tune-up, apple changed their plan
- >and provided a full installer program for it, even though it just needs
- >to be dragged into the system folder. Seems that they discovered that
- >60% of mac owners DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT! (reported in MacWeek)
- >
- >
- >>It's easy
- >>to make things run slow.
- >
- >Only on a Mac. Some games on my Amiga 3000, I can't get to slow down enough!
- >RUn tons of processes, disable caches, run in chip mem, some of 'em are
- >STILL too fast!
- >
- >>The trick is to do things right.
- >
- >Like recognizing Macs for the bloated, slow, antiquated toys they are.
- >Then spend your money on a real engine, an Amiga.
- >
- >
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