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- From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
- Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.225314.27426@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
- References: <jbickers.0m7q@templar.actrix.gen.nz> <1992Dec28.153620.13038@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1hnj22INNkan@uwm.edu>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:53:14 GMT
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- In article <1hnj22INNkan@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec28.153620.13038@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
- >>Most of the computer industry believes that Windows is not a worthwhile OS?
- >>I wasn't aware of this.
- >
- >A great deal, lad. Much of the industry has problems beleiving it's
- >an OS at all, remember?
- >
- >>Sure it's an antique, but why is it broken? It works just fine. BTW, when
- >>did this discussion shift from Windows to DOS?
- >
- >Since when didn't Windows require it? They might as well be one in
- >the same product, if you want to run Windows.
- >
- >And it's more than an antique. It's an antique PROGRAM LOADER. It's
- >a BROKEN OS. Period. If you make an attempt to consider MS/DOS an
- >OS, you fail. That says it's broken. Except millions of users have
-
- I hate to say this, but... MS-DOS is an OS. It certainly provides more
- functionality than just a "program loader". (Do you mean linker/loader?)
- It provides a tree structured filesystem, stream I/O and peripheral
- management services. It provides memory management, TSR support and
- yes even Networking support :)
-
- It's origins were CP/M and wayyyy back it was called QDOS, before
- microcruft bought the rights to it (circa 1980). Way back then, much
- of the above functionality wasn't there. Of course that level of
- functionality wasn't available ANYWHERE for personal computers :)
-
- Just because MS-DOS is an aging OS doesn't negate its contribution
- to computing history.
-
- It was and still IS an OS...
-
- >been using it instead of a real one for years.
-
- "Real" one? For "years"? Keep technology in perspective, years ago
- MS-DOS was pretty darn great. Of course OS-9 was better :) though it
- came in after CP/M.
-
- *** The above refer to OS'es for Personal Computers, using mass produced
- "micro" processors, not "real" computers :) :).
-
- >
- >What was that millions of users argument? Maybe we should all drop
- >our Coherent/AmigaOS/OS-9/Plan 9 boxes and just run MS-DOS! We'll
-
- Quick Ralphie shoot me! You'll get my OS9 box when you pry it from
- my cold dead fingers... :) Did Jerry really advocate MS-DOS in that
- sense?
-
- >stick a program that has user-writable subprograms under it, and we'll
- >call it Windows! NOT. MS-DOS has problems. Windows inherited them.
- >OS/2 at least had the brains to realize how screwed up they were, as
- >did NT, and decoupled the screwed up parts from the rest of the
- >system.
-
- Of course they have probably introduced NEW and Innovative screw-ups :)
-
- >
- >>And Plan 9 is supposed to replace Unix. Does that mean that Unix is not
- >>a worthwhile OS?
- >
- >Unix is, at least, considered by most to be an operating system, so
- >it's got a headstart. Unix does the job. There are millions of
- >people out there who are satisfied to run just enough to get the job
- >done.
- >
- >One couldn't even lie and call most Unix systems efficient. Does that
- >make it not worthwhile? No, of course not. However, it is an
- >operating system, doubtless.
-
- Unix in a historical sense is the CP/M - MS-DOS for workstations...
-
- >I'm not going to get into this any further, because I've said more
- >than enough on the subject. Suffice to say that one would call Unix
- >and Plan 9 worthwhile because they are.
-
- Circular reasoning works every time <chortle>.
-
- >
- >>It *was* always better, because Windows was moving 256-color graphics on an
- >>800x600 screen, while the Amiga had 4 colors at 640x400.
- >
- >The air is getting thick, methinks... In the end, this argument will
- >yield nothing, as it has in the past.
-
- Yep, time to take a shower :)
-
- Charles C. Bundy IV
- ccb8m@virginia.edu
-