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- From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
- Subject: Re: The 'Screens' debate:
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- Date: 24 Dec 92 04:54:31 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec24.015546.22863@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
- >As far as I can see, only real use for these 'screens' on Amigas
- >is to simultaneously display a resolution/colors combination radically
- >different from the WorkBench.
-
- More than that, but I'll answer each of your points.
-
- >It is a nice thing to pull down the WorkBench, and see a largely differnt
- >resolutions/colors scheme, but I don't see how it is terribly
- >useful. To make a generality, Amigas really need this mostly in cases
- >where the 'standard' mode they are in is insufficient. Right?
-
- Not exactly. More that 1)things are better when they are grouped, 2)
- some programs want total and irrevocable control over the palette
- (such as a paint program) and the best method for that is to open
- their own screen (preventing from screwing up someone else's colors),
- and 3) the user might not WANT to have a large/deep WB.
-
- >If the WB was in a 16color, higher-res mode (say, an A3000), and you
- >wanted to display or use an art program that used 256 colors, you
- >could easily give it its own 'screen' to 'HAM-it-up' or what-not. Then
- >you could 'drag' down the screen and still access the WB.
-
- Right.
-
- >NOW: is this better than running a hires, 256-color WB *anyway* and then
- >running the art program, and *iconizing* the art program to get back to
- >the WB? Or having it truly 'windowed' on the 256-color WB and simply
- >DRAG that windows it is in 'off' side of the screen into virtual-WB
- >space? It is still full-screen, and you can still see the WB (ala
- >'pulling' down a screen).
-
- Yes. Why?
- Iconizing: It requires a total redraw. While this looks
- pretty, it's a petty solution. Besides the fact that your 256 color
- program is going to mess up the colors for the rest of the
- applications you happen to be running on that screen, you're stuck
- waiting for this thing to redraw. Depending on the complexity, it's a
- definite lag in productivity.
-
- "Windowed": You're still messing up your colors, and on top
- of it, you're requiring yourself to both go through a redraw, and move
- a window back to where you wanted it to be. One of the biggest
- problems with having the ability to move windows partially off-screen
- is that they're tough to position so that they're not partially
- off-screen when that window is nearly the size of your screen. It's
- something I don't miss.
-
- Having multiple screens gives the program the ability to own its
- pallette and screen space, and has ZERO redraw time. As a matter of
- fact, it updates itself even though you can't see it.
-
- >My friends, that is basically what all these people with Windows and
- >OS/2 do anyway. If I wanted to run art programs, and liked hi-color
-
- We know that. The Mac's are the same way. Except their screen
- redraws are usually slower, and that's the last thing you need when
- you're iconifying/moving crap around.
-
- >desktops in Windows anyways (background, whatever), I'd run a
- >256-color driver. I could maximize/minimize the art program easy enough,
- >or 'flip' through apps to get to it. And in OS/2 I could simply drag that
- >full-screen 'down' with the title bar...'down' or sideways, whatever - it
- >would just be a *window* that _happened_ to be the full-screen size.
-
- Right. Don't you see that that's not always a really cool thing?
- Drag it up, down, sideways, and then try to position the window so
- that it's back onscreen without going over the edge. It's an annoying
- pain, though it's cool for small windows. Get something the size of
- your screen in either height or width, and you give instant migranes.
-
- >So while 'screens' are in fact pretty nice, they do not seem to be
- >the savior of Amigas like so many people on this group say they are.
-
- Nah, they're just a better solution.
-
- Greg
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