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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Subject: Re: os/2 bigot meets nt
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.171052.9153@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
- References: <199225.3155.6030@dosgate> <1992Dec26.184750.17078@grebyn.com>
- Distribution: comp
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:10:52 GMT
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- In <1992Dec26.184750.17078@grebyn.com> mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli) writes:
-
- >NT is being designed to meet Government Orange Book criteria for a C2
- >system. However, that is a *long* way from actually being certified by
- >the Government as "officially" C2. Many purchasers won't care whether
- >or not it is an "official" C2, I suppose, but the Government itself
- >does. Further, it is, of course, mostly the Defense Department within
- >the govt that is pushing higher security, and C2 is only a short-term
- >solution. Several Unix vendors are preparing B-level OSes, and that's
- >what DoD really wants in the end.
-
- Well, not quite true. What DoD really wants in the end is for people
- to use the appropriate level of system for the appropriate level of
- processing. What level of security you need (C, B, etc.) depends
- quite heavily on just what data is on the system and what it is used
- for, as well as things like physical accessibility (a single-user
- isolated system kept in a locked room with a guard on the door and
- alarms is a pretty secure critter, after all).
-
- >>-> 2) Cross Platform - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to sit in front of
- >>-> either a PC, MIPS, Alpha, or almost any other system (Thanks HAL )
- >>-> and know that Windows NT has the ability to run on it? I know thats
- >>-> a BIG Plus for some of the larger mixed - environment workplaces.
- >>
- >>How many people have even seen an Alpha? The Intel world is where
- >>it's at.
- >>
- >I'd dump my Intel PC for an Alpha in a second if I could afford it.
-
- So would I, but I'd want to be able to run all the DOS and Windows
- stuff that's out there, as well as all the UNIX and X stuff. Sounds
- more like what I'd need on an Alpha is UNIX/X with emulation than NT.
- Other than that, this 'cross-platform' hype is exactly that -- hype.
- UNIX is already better in that kind of heterogenous environment than
- NT will be, and runs on a wider variety of platforms.
-
- >>-> 3) Win32s - What more to say?
- >>
-
- Well, some reason why I should care would be nice. :-)
-
- >>-> 4) Multiuser support - Albeit, not so great as some variants of UN*X,
- >>-> but it's a lot better than what OS/2 offers 'out of the box'.
-
- Yeah, but to get real multi-user support you have to add software for
- the various rlogin and telnetd stuff. In other words, to get
- multi-user access you have to add software -- just like OS/2.
-
- >>
- >>Just like the Alpha....How many multi-CPU boxes do you see out there?
- >>The intel x86 market is the only one that counts, and cross platform
- >>compatibility isn't going to make a product succeed. I'm sure
- >>having a Mac version available sells a few more copies of certain
- >>Windows apps (like in workplaces with PC's and Macs), but nothing
- >>to write home about and Macs far outnumber multi-CPU boxes.
-
- >Well, he said multi-user, not multi-processor. However, NT's MP is more
- >likely to be real than it's supposed multi-user features. The "is NT
- >multi-user?" thread has been beaten to death here before, so I won't
- >start it up again. Still, while we're talking about MP, I think support
- >for it is a "good thing", because I suspect that with time we will see
- >more such machines, but at the moment, I have no need for it. The
- >fundamental thing is, if I were shelling out the kind of $$ it would
- >take to get me a fast RISC MP machine, like say a four-processor Alpha,
- >I'd want to run something cool like OSF/1-- why waste all that hardware
- >on Windows? It just seems like a truly weird idea. Remember that the
- >buyers of such high-end hardware are *not* secretaries-- they are
- >scientists and engineers, and they have a little more sense and
- >technical awareness than the average PC user.
-
- MP is (maybe) something for the future. I'm not sure that hyping it
- now is anything other than marketroid dreck, though. How many of us
- have multi-processor systems on our desks?
-
- --
- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
- in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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