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- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Path: sparky!uunet!grebyn!daily!mfraioli
- From: mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli)
- Subject: Re: os/2 bigot meets nt
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.184750.17078@grebyn.com>
- Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
- References: <199225.3155.6030@dosgate>
- Distribution: comp
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 18:47:50 GMT
- Lines: 74
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- In article <199225.3155.6030@dosgate> "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com> writes:
- >-> From: robs@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Suh) writes:
- >
- >-> Well, I can name lots of reasons...
- >->
- >-> 1) C2 Security - I know lots of places that Security of data on the
- >-> PC or LAN is a MUST. Can't have someone just walk up to a PC/Node
- >-> and take a look at all the data on it.
- >
- >Are you under the impression that NT has C2 security?
- >
- NT is being designed to meet Government Orange Book criteria for a C2
- system. However, that is a *long* way from actually being certified by
- the Government as "officially" C2. Many purchasers won't care whether
- or not it is an "official" C2, I suppose, but the Government itself
- does. Further, it is, of course, mostly the Defense Department within
- the govt that is pushing higher security, and C2 is only a short-term
- solution. Several Unix vendors are preparing B-level OSes, and that's
- what DoD really wants in the end.
-
- >-> 2) Cross Platform - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to sit in front of
- >-> either a PC, MIPS, Alpha, or almost any other system (Thanks HAL )
- >-> and know that Windows NT has the ability to run on it? I know thats
- >-> a BIG Plus for some of the larger mixed - environment workplaces.
- >
- >How many people have even seen an Alpha? The Intel world is where
- >it's at.
- >
- I'd dump my Intel PC for an Alpha in a second if I could afford it. And
- actually, I heard that this cross-platform thing just means that there's
- a version of NT for the Alpha, but the DOS/Win3.x software will run in a
- version of Insignia's SoftPC. I have seen this on the Mac and on Unix--
- it sucks. It only emulates the 286 instruction set, it's slow, and it
- is just generally unacceptable. It is *much* poorer that OS/2's native
- DOS/Win3.x support (at least on Intel hardware). So the only things
- which are really cross-platform about NT are the OS itself and the API.
- To really get any advantage out of hardware that you pay ~6x more for,
- you must have a natively compiled version of your app.
-
- >-> 3) Win32s - What more to say?
- >
- >How about "enables ISV's to write applications no more capable than
- >they currently are under Windows 3.x, but pretend they're really
- >NT apps"
- >
- That sounds about right to me! :-)
-
- >-> 4) Multiuser support - Albeit, not so great as some variants of UN*X,
- >-> but it's a lot better than what OS/2 offers 'out of the box'.
- >
- >Just like the Alpha....How many multi-CPU boxes do you see out there?
- >The intel x86 market is the only one that counts, and cross platform
- >compatibility isn't going to make a product succeed. I'm sure
- >having a Mac version available sells a few more copies of certain
- >Windows apps (like in workplaces with PC's and Macs), but nothing
- >to write home about and Macs far outnumber multi-CPU boxes.
-
- Well, he said multi-user, not multi-processor. However, NT's MP is more
- likely to be real than it's supposed multi-user features. The "is NT
- multi-user?" thread has been beaten to death here before, so I won't
- start it up again. Still, while we're talking about MP, I think support
- for it is a "good thing", because I suspect that with time we will see
- more such machines, but at the moment, I have no need for it. The
- fundamental thing is, if I were shelling out the kind of $$ it would
- take to get me a fast RISC MP machine, like say a four-processor Alpha,
- I'd want to run something cool like OSF/1-- why waste all that hardware
- on Windows? It just seems like a truly weird idea. Remember that the
- buyers of such high-end hardware are *not* secretaries-- they are
- scientists and engineers, and they have a little more sense and
- technical awareness than the average PC user.
-
- --
- Marc Fraioli
- mfraioli@grebyn.com (So I'm a minimalist...)
-