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- From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
- Subject: Re: [misc.activism.progressive] Clinton Office Requests Comments
- Date: 4 Jan 1993 02:33:23 GMT
- Organization: University of California, San Diego
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- In article <BZS.93Jan2232208@world.std.com> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
- >
- >
- >Anyhow...
- >
- >The point being that these are people who have the appurtenances of
- >the upper-middle class (cultural grounding, education, and tastes,
- >etc) but don't have the wherewithal to obtain their "expected" rewards
- >in the world of today (and some of this may be a temporary thing, but
- >no doubt 5+ years of that to a young person can be very frustrating.)
- >
- >So, libertarianism tends to speak to such people: Something must be
- >holding them back, right? Something must be unfairly standing in the
- >way of their getting their birthright, a comfortable life etc (even if
- >the specifics of that aren't exactly the same as their parents it
- >still costs a lot of money, that's how their tastes run and were
- >trained, regardless of the fashion turns it takes, both Sinatra and
- >thrash sound better on a $5,000 stereo system...)
- >Now, what is holding them back? What could it be? What is making life
- >so much harder than their relatively comfortable upbringing ever led
- >them to believe? Why...it must be...THE GOVT! Rules and regulations
- >which make the playing field more competitive to people who DON'T HAVE
- >A BIRTHRIGHT! (not to mention complicate life immensely, a melancholy
- >longing for simplicity in all human affairs is a hallmark of this
- >particular mindset.)
- >
- a wonderful summing up! libertarianism as the ideology of the
- frustrated children of the elite. of course, none of the randites
- believes in society (as has been painfully demonstrated on this
- network), so making an argument, however sensible and consistent,
- about libertarianism as being cultivated by socio-economic variables
- rather than the incredible reasoning powers of a few gifted bootstrap-pulling
- horatio algers is bound to fall on deaf (and hostile) ears.
- still, nice job, mr. shein. expect, as you anticipate, dozens of
- replies from "lower class libertarians" (who of course toiled their
- "self-defeating ethic" of the underclass into which they were
- born) who will see in their social
- point of origin a refutation of your argument because they aren't
- quite prepared to admit that in a libertarian society there'd be
- no school loans, scholarships, etc. for people like them and so
- they'd be preaching the religion of the mighty and asocial
- individual while sweeping up the shit in the rich folks' back yard.
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- tristan
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