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- From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
- Subject: Re: Professional registration
- In-Reply-To: gardner@convex.com's message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:45:55 GMT
- Message-ID: <BZS.92Dec29135754@world.std.com>
- Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
- Organization: The World
- References: <bhayden.724606872@teal> <1992Dec22.130407.28628@tijc02.uucp>
- <C00753.Mp0@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1992Dec29.154555.8466@news.eng.convex.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:57:54 GMT
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- From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
- >In article <C00753.Mp0@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- >>How about those of us who are damn tired of "colleges" where an education
- >>takes a back seat to the whims and desires of some corporate sponsor who
- >>happens to be in someone's back pocket (or front pocket for that matter)?
- > Please give a concrete example.
-
- Having personally spent over a decade in academia, including being
- "front line" on such projects Karl alludes to, I can assure you this
- is a valid complaint. The motivation of course is money, though it is
- unclear (to me) whether or not the result is profitable (sort of like
- selling one's soul for the quick fix and denying the ultimate effect.)
-
- > The problem that we see is not limited to academia however.
- > All of your observations above describe a situation where process
- > is a substitute for thought. People cling to outmoded ways of doing
- > things because they fear change. People have a quasi-religious
- > belief that if they just do things according to the prescribed
- > ritual then everything will be all right. Even when this
- > ritualistic behavior leads to bad consequences people don't
- > feel as much anxiety because they can kid themselves by
- > saying "What else could I do? I did everything that I was supposed
- > to." IBM is in the toilet now because it couln't let go of the idea
- > that mainframes were its bread and butter. All the time they were
- > going down the path to doom, all the people making all the bad
- > decisions were checking all the right boxes and doing all the
- > prescribed rituals of office life. Guess what, it didn't work.
-
- This is certainly true, but academia's ONLY claim to value is that
- they have some higher purpose. Agreed that mistakes are made, but
- oftentimes these behaviors in academia go way beyond anything that can
- be tossed off as a "mistake".
-
- The worst ones come about as a result of something resembling
- racketeering: collusion between individuals within the institution and
- the vendor, in exchange for specific favors to the individual,
- sometimes wholely outside the realm of the academic context, sometimes
- not.
-
- Those of you over 30-ish: Remember when we were kids and there was
- this strong belief that what they said in commercials on TV had to be
- (basically) true because there was somehow this great watchdog that
- would make sure it was true? Remember how that kind of thing fell
- apart over the years to the point that even saying this sounds
- laughably naive today?
-
- Well, I contend that a similar effect has been going on in academia
- over the past decade or two, there are no watchdogs, and some pretty
- sleazy things go on and there is absolutely no one to counter these
- things. The rats are guarding the cheese.
-
- (The rest goes off on a tangent relative to anything I have to say.)
-
- --
- -Barry Shein
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