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- From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.security.misc,alt.privacy,alt.society.civil-liberty
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.150816.13247@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 15:08:16 GMT
- Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Dec22.150816.13247
- References: <1992Dec13.085734.19916@news.Hawaii.Edu> <mt_rrwn@dixie.com> <1992Dec14.180915.13795@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1992Dec16.192639.12991@eecs.nwu.edu> <1992Dec18.100254.4122@nntp.hut.fi>
- Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
- Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
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- jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
-
- >Earlier I said that property rights are not an issue wrt the CERT
- >advisory, and that it was not related to companies. This was based on
- >my mistaken reading of the advisory - as it was based on the U.S. Dept
- >of justice advice (order?) to all federal agencies, I though that the
- >"all systems" on the advisory referred to "all federal systems".
- >However, it appears I was mistaken - when I asked CERT about this the
- >answer was that CERT expanded the scope of the advisory and thus it
- >seems that CERT really means _all_ systems, no matter whether private,
- >public, government-owned, etc.
-
- But "goverment-owned" or even "public property" *still* involves property
- rights. City Hall is public property, right down to the supplies in the
- storeroom. That does *not* mean that the public can walk in and use the
- supplies.
-
- "Public property" generally has some purpose or reason for existence. And
- the administering agency has property rights, not all that different from
- those a private person or company would have.
-
- >A part of my argumentation was based on this misunderstanding of the
- >advisory (for example the claim where I said that property rights are
- >not involved). I apologize for the resulting failure of
- >communication. However, my argumentation still applies for systems of
- >federal agencies and many education sites.
-
- Nope. At the federal agencies, you do *not* have a right to access on
- their system anymore than you have a right to access any *phsyical*
- property they have. And at educational sites, the *students* may
- have access rights but not the general public. Just like with the
- classrooms and labs.
-
- --
- Leonard Erickson leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
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