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- From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
- Subject: Re: WELL anonymity policy
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 01:22:32 GMT
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- karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
-
- |spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
- |>jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead) writes:
- |>> Anonymity is available
- |>
- |>You mean "pseudonymity is available" -- don't complain about
- |>my misnomer, then use it yourself!!
- |
- |Another reason people want pseudonyms: to stay a bit further
- |out of the line of fire from those who take intellectual
- |disagreements personally, and escalate to scatology and
- |personable abuse on the slightest of pretexts.
-
- OK Chuck, you have now added a complete non-sequitar to
- this thread. Please explain yourself.
-
- |>The only *consistent* way of deciding who is eligible to
- |>have a pseudonymous account is to simply leave it up to
- |>the discretion of subscriber. Anything else is arbitrary.
- |>Since it is not done this way, I am correct in saying that policy
- |>is inconsistent.
- |
- |This is the first time I've seen "consistent" held
- |up as an antonym for "arbitrary".
-
- Not a direct antonym, however it's obvious that
- given the usual definitions of the terms, if a policy
- is arbitrary, then it cannot possibly be consistent.
- That is the meaning of my statement above.
-
- |We've all heard the
- |famous dictum about those who see consistency as an
- |end in itself.
-
- Another non-sequitar. What IS your point??
-
- |The WELL tries more to be about people and about human
- |interaction than it is about legalisms. The managers have
- |been able to exercise their powers in ways that have earned
- |them the trust of the subscribers. The subscribers don't
- |mind that some of the policies are dealt with according to
- |the managers' best judgement, because they trust that
- |judgement.
- |
- |What better criterion than subscriber satisfaction
- |can you propose to decide whether their policies are
- |appropriate for a commercial service?
-
- I do not think the WELL's policies are off limits
- for discussion just because their subscribers are
- all happy. If you lobotomized all 12-year-olds then
- the high schools would be full of kids who are
- happy. Does that make lobotimization good policy?
-
- |>Example: suppose a user asked for a pseudonymous account because they
- |>are simply too shy to socialize on the computer under
- |>their real name?
- |>
- |>My guess -- correct me if I'm wrong -- the Well admins would
- |>say "sorry" to such a request.
- |
- |Mr. Pope, your guess is not well informed.
-
- Justify this gratuitous, groundless remark if you can.
-
- My guess is logical given the facts in evidence. The only public
- information the WELL gives out on this policy is that "anonymous
- accounts are not accepted except by special arrangement". This
- directly implies that they are not given out routinely. Which
- implies that the most common reason for wanting a pseudonymous
- account -- simple shyness about posting -- is not acceptable
- to the WELL admins. You need more of a reason to qualify. This
- assessment has been corroborated by a couple posters here, plus every
- WELL user I have talked to agrees that this is the way it works.
-
- | You greatly
- |underestimate both the sensitivity to subscriber concerns
- |exercized by WELL management on their own initiative
- |and the pressure they would feel from their subscribers if
- |they were not that sensitive.
-
- I'm sure WELL management is exteremely sensitive. Even
- so you could be right, I might still be underestimating them....
-
-
- Steve
-