home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: sparky!uunet!hela.iti.org!cs.widener.edu!cs.widener.edu!usenet
- From: YOUNG@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Rob Young)
- Newsgroups: comp.arch
- Subject: Re: Comparison of Alpha, MIPS and PA-RISC-II wanted
- Date: 23 Dec 1992 20:31:07 GMT
- Organization: Widener News/Mail Gateway
- Lines: 92
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <1haiabINN3m1@cs.widener.edu>
- References: <BzGn32.37C@dscomsa.desy.de> <42743@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <1992Dec22.142358.188@indyvax.iupui.edu> <id.OG2W.USA@ferranti.com>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.cs.widener.edu
- X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
- In-Reply-To: peter@ferranti.com's message of 23 Dec 92 16:23:38 GMT
-
-
- In <id.OG2W.USA@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com writes:
-
- > In article <1992Dec22.142358.188@indyvax.iupui.edu> imhw400@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
- > > > pipes
- > > got it
- >
- > $ DIR | SORT
- > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parameters
- >
-
- If you have the bucks you can purchase the POSIX shell for VMS. It is
- dog slow but works. Of course if you are talking about an Alpha AXP box, who
- cares?? Otherwise there are pipe packages available via anonymous FTP.
-
- $ posix
- psx> dcl directory/date/size | sort
- sort: [standard input]: line 15: no newline at end of file
-
-
-
-
- Directory DUA1:[T]
- EXTRACT.BIN;1 7 17-NOV-1992 12:29:11.39
- LIBRARY.BIN;68 49 23-DEC-1992 11:49:52.06
- NOMENU.BIN;63 16 23-DEC-1992 11:51:53.51
- PHOTO.LOG;1 0 23-DEC-1992 15:11:59.62
- REPORTER.BIN;69 30 23-DEC-1992 11:50:38.25
- SAVE.BIN;59 30 23-DEC-1992 11:46:50.42
- SPANISH.BIN;2 59 22-FEB-1991 13:24:19.34
- SYSTEM.BIN;3 57 23-DEC-1992 11:48:47.64
- TTY.BIN;61 28 23-DEC-1992 11:51:16.64
- Total of 9 files, 276 blocks.
-
- > > > make
- > > got it
- >
- > When did that show up. I once spent a week writing make for VMS because it
- > wasn't there.
-
- Version 5.5. Get the POSIX shell. It has a good make. Otherwise there are
- numerous *decent* makes available via anon ftp.
-
- > > > choice of shells
- > > got it
- >
- > Damn, can't seem to find any but DCL.
- >
-
- Get the POSIX shell. I know, I know, "why should I have to pay extra???"
- It is available though at a modest cost. (i.e. $185 for a MicroVAX II).
-
- > > > machine independant, choice of vendor freedom
- > > VMS runs on two architectures now, maybe more later
- >
- > Doesn't run on my PC.
-
- But it will run on a PC, may not be yours though. DEC is working on the
- drivers to bring it down to the Alpha PC level.
-
- > > > simplicity
- > > got it
- >
- > OK, quick, without looking it up. Is it
- >
- > delete queue/entry=
- > or
- > delete entry/queue=
-
- I avoid this by doing the following:
-
- $ delete/entry=???
-
- The queue manager assigns unique entry numbers so it doesn't have to worry
- about target queue anymore.
-
- You seem to be stuck at a prior version of VMS. Like any robust operating
- system VMS has added new features, including the availability of a POSIX
- (kshell) shell at VMS 5.5.
-
- Peter, since you now have to support a VMS machine(s) you aren't trying to
- learn VMS tricks/techniques by critiqueing it are you?
-
- Rob
-
-
- young@tattoo.cs.widener.edu
- "Even the street fighters over at Sun are concerned when they look at what's
- happening with Windows. They see the way the market works: The users are a
- bunch of sheep, and Billy [Gates, Microsoft CEO] is the shepherd"
- -- Maureen O'Gara
- Unigram-X editor
-