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- From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
- Newsgroups: comp.arch
- Subject: Re: IBM AS/400 is the world's slowest computer
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.092355.29859@adobe.com>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 09:23:55 GMT
- References: <16030@auspex-gw.auspex.com>
- Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
- Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
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- In article <16030@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
- > >3) The AS400 is a capability based tagged architecture. It offers
- security
- > > like nothing else on the market. That's not to say that it's
- perfect,
- > > but while all us RISCy folks have been off worrying about MIPS, IBM
- has
- > > noticed that tools providing incredibly tight control over access to
- > > information are crucial in many markets. Try writing an AS400 virus!
- >
- > Just out of curiosity, how much of the capability stuff is implemented
- > in what I, at least, would consider the *real* instruction set - i.e.,
- > the so-called "vertical microcode" instruction set - and how much is
- > implemented in the "high-level" instruction set?
- >
- > I.e., precisely how CISCy is the "vertical microcode" instruction set? I
- > don't particularly care how CISCy the "high-level" instruction set is -
- > Smalltalk bytecodes are probably somewhat "high-level", as may be the
- > internal bytecodes used by various language interpreters, but both can
- > be handled, these days, by non-"high level CISC" processors (both RISC
- > and CISC).
-
- My understanding is the further down you go in instruction sets on the
- AS/400, the more differences there are between different implementations.
- That is, the "vertical microcode" instruction set is implementation
- dependent. Of course my main complaint with incredibly "high level" machines
- like this is that I've never really been able to understand how they work.
- My disgust level is exceeded about the point someone says "well though,
- that's not the instruction set the hardware implements. We have another
- layer here that..." for the second or third time.
-
- There was an article in one of "the rags" claiming that IBM is going to do a
- 64 bit RISC based version of the AS/400. Details on what that means would be
- very interesting. In particular, is it based on PowerPC or is IBM going to
- have two 64 bit RISC architectures floating around. Or is it one of these
- "RISC implementations" rather than a "RISC architecture."
- --
- Zalman Stern zalman@adobe.com (415) 962 3824
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