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- Path: sparky!uunet!world!kieran
- From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
- Message-ID: <Bzquq7.J24@world.std.com>
- Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
- References: <WORDS-L%92122219365950@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> <Bzp7G1.MF3@world.std.com> <HAYCOCK.92Dec23082805@marley.think.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:22:54 GMT
- Lines: 51
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- haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock) writes:
-
- ?1;2c>You'd make your point better if you thought a little more about what you
- >were saying before you typed it in.
-
- You're right; like I just posted, Don's statement got my point across 1000
- times better than I did. I've been having trouble with my new account,
- the main one being that the line noise is so bad I can barely read my
- words as I'm typing them, much less edit them. In a couple days I hope to
- install a quikie mail-grabber/responder so I can do it all offline when
- the clock isn't running and my characters and melting off the screen.
- Anyway...
-
-
- >As I understood your final argument, you are not speaking of harassment
- >based upon your gender, but rather, upon your physical attractiveness. Two
- >very different things. I agree that there is certainly discrimination
- >where a person's ability to do a job is connected with how well they look;
- >and I do know it's true that many people get into positions they are
- >otherwise not qualified for based upon "looking the part" or whatever.
- >However, I would challenge that anyone can make a blanket statement
- >regarding discrimination based on looks: I know women who have been passed
- >over for promotion because they were "too good looking" and women who
- >haven't even been given a chance because they "aren't what we're looking
- >for"; I also know women in important positions who would never have made it
- >on ability/brains alone (the US Govt has more than a few of these charmers)
- >and women who made it to the top by blood and sweat and resent any other
- >woman who tries the same.
-
- >wouldn't doubt it is somewhat similar. Although, I would have to insist
- >that, in my experience, a woman's appearance is very often part and parcel
- >of considering whether or not she's "capable" or "able" to do a job;
- >whereas, I think for men, ability/capability is far less tied to how they
- >look.
-
- It depends on the job; I'd love to get into broadcast journalism someday,
- but which my looks and voice, I'll be VERY lucky if it ever comes to pass.
- In general though, you are right in that it's worse for women than men.
-
- However, like I originally said, I never denied that at-work harrassment
- is a very serious problem. My biggest problem is with the thought that
- on-the-street annoyances are really that serious a social problem when
- compared to what the same women gain in many other areas of society.
-
- I'm going to have to stop here, the line noise is horrid now and I cant
- read anything on the screen. My apologies for any mistypes.
-
- Merry Christmas,
-
- --Aaron
-
-