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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:32:42 +0100
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- From: torkel@SICS.SE
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
- Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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- 23 Dec 92 01:56:12 -0800. <199212231044.AA13647@sunic.sunet.se>
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- Peter explains:
-
- >Let's see now. I have a discussion with Hitler about racial purity.
-
- But this description of how you propose to argue with Hitler
- bypasses completely the question I asked. Since you object to my
- mocking Hitler, but not to my saying bluntly to Hitler that his
- beliefs are revolting and beneath contempt, what are your grounds for
- objecting to the mocking? Surely my saying this to Hitler will put him
- off every bit as much as my mocking him? (I would, of course, say such a
- thing only from a very safe distance.)
-
- If your present remarks are to be at all relevant, your doctrine must be
- that one should not bluntly insult people's beliefs either, by declaring them
- revolting and beneath contempt, but should follow your proposed approach
- in confronting people about their beliefs. But then we have no reason to
- single out "mockery" in particular, but are dealing with the wider question
- of how one should confront people about their beliefs if one wants to
- have a meaningful discussion with them.
-
- >I guess (but I'm sure you can tell me much better) the reason I dislike
- >the idea of belittling even the most contemptible of deeply held beliefs
- >is precisely because they are so DEEPLY held.
-
- Well, this is what I suspected, but I had to wait for you to say it
- yourself. You "admire commitment of the will", you feel that "deep
- convictions reach to the most fundamentally human elements in a
- person", and to "mock such commitments is to mock humanness itself",
- and this quite independently of the contents of these convictions.
- Your attempts at a pragmatic justification of the "no mockery"
- principle, which frankly were pretty feeble, we should perhaps just
- set aside. This deep admiration for "depth" and commitment and
- fanaticism, no matter in what cause or on the basis of what beliefs,
- is found in a lot of people of an intellectual bent in the murkier
- reaches of (mostly) right-wing politics and religion. I can't say I
- myself respect this deeply felt conviction regarding the sanctity of
- deeply felt convictions. But then I also sometimes make fun of beliefs
- for which I have great respect.
-