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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:04:58 PST
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- From: Jonathan Fisher <jfisher@NETXWEST.COM>
- Subject: Re: well, pardon me!, Version 5
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- andy asks, (tongue in cheek, I'll bet!),
-
- > I forget - what exactly is the "crime" we're dealing with here?
- Here are my ideas on the laws which were broken:
- Arms Export Control Act. This law, I believe, says that the US cannot
- send arms to nations identified as terrorist nations. I believe that
- the President is not exempt from this law as andy states below.
- Borland Act. I think that I have the name wrong. This law states that
- the US is not to fund the contras. Money from the arms sales went to
- the Contras. Money solicited by high-level US officials from other
- countries went to the contras. I believe both to be illegal.
- There are probably others, which I don't know.
- >
- > We don't appoint special prosecutors to go after people who accept
- > improper gifts. We don't appoint special prosecutors to go after
- > people who lie to congress. Therefore, Walsh was obviously tasked
- > with searching out some other activity? What was that activity?
- Officially, I don't know. But Walsh was appointed by the Attorney General
- to investigate specific actions relating to selling arms to Iran and
- sending monies to the contras. If he came across other illegalities,
- relating to the above crimes, in the meantime, I am sure that he was within
- his powers to prosecute.
- >
- > Was "arms for hostages" illegal? I've loaned out my copy of the arms
- > export laws, but I "remember" that they let the president authorize
- > "guns" for anyone for any reason he sees fit. If there's US money
- > involved, then Congress comes in, but if they aren't our "guns" to
- > begin with, then the only liable party is a foreign govt which may, or
- > may not, be breaking a "you won't ship these things to someone else"
- > agreement. I suppose we might have a suborning perjury/contract
- > violation case, but ....
- I'm not a lawyer. I'm not an expert on the laws relating to this
- "problem". However, based on experts that I have heard, the president
- was not exempt for the above named law. Further, even though it was
- an ally that actually sent the arms to Iran, it was at our behest.
- Since the arms were sold for an outrageous amount, the extra monies
- should have been deposited into our treasury, not in various peoples
- pockets.
- >
- > I note that Weinburger says his notes say that he disagreed with
- > improving the relationship with Iran, that he didn't make an arms for
- > hostage connection at the time. Later, when he did, he objected to
- > it, but claims that it wasn't illegal, just bad policy.
- >
- This contradicts a widely-publized note which Weinberger wrote after
- a meeting with the president, which I detailed in a previous post.
- To summarize it, Weinberger told the president that selling arms
- to Iran was illegal and the president said that he realized this
- but he wanted to get out the hostages.
-
- > -andy
- > --
- >
- Jonathan
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