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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
- Message-ID: <9212212116.AA12783@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
- Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:16:27 -0800
- Sender: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
- From: Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
- Subject: Re: andy f. quietly declares class warfare on the "rivet-heads"
- In-Reply-To: <01GSFAY7V3OU9S616G@TOE.TOWSON.EDU>
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- >>What defines this reasonable standard of living? Is it relative (read
- >>class-warfare), or absolute? (Hint: O'Andy's salary ratio limit is
- >>relevant only for class-warfare.)
- >
- >A resonable standard of living is absolute, which is why in the past
- >I have advocated a flat tax with a large exclusion at the bottom
- >end (first 10k/dependent - no tax), fairness in compensation is
- >relative (say comparable worth, I know you can).
-
- Who defines "comparable" again? Why is their definition better than
- the interaction of supply and demand?
-
- >Note that the ratio limit that andy f. is talking about is a limit
- >to how much can be written off on taxes by a corporation, not how
- >much they can pay an employee.
-
- Does that really make a big difference?
-
- >>BTW - is O'Andy claiming that double-standards are necessary to get us
- >>to utopia, that we have to break a few legs, I mean eggs?
- >
- >Nope, sorry, I'm not claiming that.
-
- But, O'Andy is pushing a double-standard. He thinks that the more
- productive shouldn't get what they're worth.
-
- >>The means PRODUCE the ends. The intentions are largely irrelevant.
- >
- >The intentions provide the motivation and allow one to discriminate
- >between differing means; hardly irrelevant.
-
- Intentions COULD provide a basis for discriminating between MEANS with
- different ENDS. I'm pointing out that they aren't used that way all
- that often, that "this program is meant to solve problem <x>" is
- considered an argument for it and the effects of that program on the
- problem are largely ignored.
-
- -andy
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