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- From: Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
- Subject: Re: CS LEWIS - SCREWTAPE REVIEW
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- >
- >Ian, you object that the demons tempting humans in THE SCREWTAPE
- >LETTERS do not know whether a human they are tempting is one of
- >the elect. But suppose they did. Would they not spare themselves
- >the trouble of tempting anyone they knew was saved? And would they
- >not spare themselves the trouble of tempting anyone they knew
- >was damned? Given your premises, namely
- > (1) eternal security, plus
- > (2) knowledge by the demons of who is secure and who is not,
- >it seems to follow that demons will never tempt anyone at all.
- >Of course, many Christians who believe (1) will reject (2). I have
- >seen arguments for (1). Do you have any for (2)?
- >
- > Yours,
- > James Kiefer
- >
- Well, Revelations tells us that Satan is preoccupied with accusing the
- bretheren, so obviously satan knows who to accuse and who not.. Whether this
- makes 'sense' or not is not really relevant, as the bible says it is true,
- and I do not see satan making much 'sense' anyway...
-
- Well I accept both 1 and 2, namely eternal security and the fact that
- demons tempt saved people.
- Someone can be saved and life an entirely UNFRUITFUL life for christ and do
- nothing to accomplish the vision of the church. This may be a prime
- objective in the kingdom of darkness, to keep those who are the elect as
- useless as possible.
- I believe in free will in order to receive salvation, and free will in order
- to make our salvation usefull while we are on earth.
- May this be an argument for case number 2???
-
- Regards
-
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