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- From: stabosz@chopin.udel.edu (Rae Stabosz)
- Subject: Re: contributions
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:51:49 GMT
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- In article <9301021935.AA21135@courant.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> J Scott Berg <ALHY@SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
-
- >I personally find these sorts of practices objectionable. It seems to
- >go directly against the principle that you should not give based on
- >the benefits/praise that you expect to get from those around you.
- >Jesus seems to spend a lot of time picking on the Pharasees because
- >they do things that are inherently good for the praise that they will
- >get from those who see them doing it.
- >
- >I always expected that if I write a check and put it in the collection
- >basket, somebody just stamps that back with an endorsement and
- >deposits it. I would just assume that the parish council, my pastor,
- >and anyone else had no idea how much I gave. I don't want the way
- >they treat me to be based upon how much I donate. I want to donate
- >out of love of God and concern for the Church and others, not based
- >upon how I am treated or what I expect to get back from the Church.
- >
- > -Scott Berg
- >
- ****
-
- Just so Scott doesn't think he's alone out there with that "unrealistic"
- notion, I'll mention that my husband feels exactly the same way. He
- puts in cash; I put in checks. Neither of us uses the envelopes, but
- I put the checks in so that a) I can take it off my taxes and b) if I
- ever need to "prove" that my family contributes to the parish, there is
- a record.
-
- Eighteen years ago, when our oldest child was ready to enter first
- grade, we had an interview with the pastor in order to determine if
- our child could be admitted to the parish school. The amount of our
- contributions was the only point I remember in the interview. Our
- pastor was happy to see a record of steady contributions, and noted to
- us that "it was in the bag" for us, because we were obviously serious
- members of the parish. He said, shaking his head, that he hated to
- see all the people come and ask him to admit their kids to school when
- they couldn't show any level of support for the parish.
-
- We wound up not putting the kids in the parish school, not for that
- reason but for others. This year, we've decided that we've had it
- with public schools and are looking for good Catholic schools to send
- the kids to. I thought of my parish's school and was immediately sorry
- that I'd have only 1/2 of what our family contributes to show, only
- the part that appears from my checks. I figured I could cop a plea
- and explain my husband's practice, and hope. But in the end we
- decided against the parish school anyway, it's not our first or second
- choice.
-
- My husband is really fierce about what Jesus says about not letting the
- left hand know what the right hand is doing. Once our diocese had one
- of those special collections that some professional fundraiser had
- obviously been hired to advertise, because they sent fancy brochures
- with those cute little names for people who gave to various degrees.
- The fancy names started with contributions of $100 -- then you were
- in the Circle of Angels or something like that. My husband sent them
- a check for $99. (No editorial comment on that, this is just a
- demonstration of his irascible nature when it comes to so much of what
- the institutional Church does to keep itself going.)
-
- I think, actually, that he and Scott have the right idea about these
- things, even though contributing to the support of the Church is one
- of its laws. I wish the pastors and bishops would preach more about
- this so that people would be _willing_ to give, rather than being
- coy, or cute, or hat-in-hand sheepish when it came to asking us to
- contribute. I don't know what it is that keeps many people from
- doing their fair share, but I think there's got to be better ways
- of alerting us all to our responsibility than the ways I see.
-
- I do, though, like the idea of "no questions asked" if someone who is
- a regular contributor comes asking for financial help from the parish.
- It's not that I think that people asking for help ought to be grilled
- at length, but that of course some wisdom must be shown in how money is
- given out, when resources are so limited. What I like about "no
- questions asked" is that it assumes something like a partnership --
- that a regular contributor is as invested in the parish finances as a
- partner is in a firm, and the money asked for in time of need will
- presumably be returned and more when the financial need is over.
-
- I guess those are sort of contradictory notions. I dunno. I still
- marvel that those old, beautiful city churches were built by folks
- who had much more limited resources than most of us have.
-
- Rae
-
-