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- From: mjvande@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Newsgroups: ba.transportation
- Subject: Re: Alliance for a Paving Moratorium (Alert)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.230121.12630@pbhye.PacBell.COM>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 23:01:21 GMT
- References: <92358.33465.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
- Reply-To: mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
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- ---Where do they get this stuff? The light rail built in Santa Clara
- ---county was far more expensive than this, while the freeways were far
- ---less expensive. Don't they think they can make their point without
- ---gross exaggeration?
- -
- --It's not much of an exaggeration. The Cypress Freeway will cost over
- --a $billion for 1.5 miles. You must be talking about construction of
- --additional lanes in existing ROW. What about highway 85??
- -
- -Yes, it's *possible* that a highway can cost almost $1 billion per mile and
- -that light rail can cost "only" $10-$15M per mile. But those amounts are
- -*far* from the norm, and you know it damn well. And in most areas of the
- -country, where starter homes don't cost $250,000, the cheaper land acquisition
- -costs make freeways cheaper (usually). Half of the cost in building Route 85
- -is in land acquisition. Very little of the cost of rail is for that purpose.
- -
- -Highway 85: About $500 million for an 18-mile stretch, or $27.8 million per
- -mile. How much did light rail cost through downtown San Jose? I'll bet it
- -was a hell of a lot more than $27.8 million per mile. My point isn't that
- -rail is always more expensive--it's that you can use numbers to say pretty
- -much whatever the hell you want them to, and you're being disingenuous by
- -peddling off those loaded numbers as a typical, normal comparison. That's
- -bullschmidt.
-
- Your comments are worthless, unless you propose better figures. Plan a light
- rail line (not BART -- we are talking about light rail) & an EQUIVALENT
- freeway (in person-carrying capacity: one rail line = several freeway lanes)
- and THEN do the comparison.
-