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- From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
- Subject: Re: Walk away, run away, was Re: Pre-Sex Contract
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.222800.29843@erg.sri.com>
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- Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
- Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
- References: <etc.> <1992Dec21.110114.3892@netcom.com>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:28:00 GMT
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- In the referenced article, oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.021844.9653@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster) writes:
- >>>*Her* child? If you have fathered it, it's your child as well.
- >> If she and I make an agreement in advance and she unilaterally
- >>breaks the agreement by keeping the child, then she should live with
- >>the consequences of her decision and raise the child by herself without
- >>my support.
- >
- >It's her child and yours if you had fathered it. Period. If she decides
- >that she will keep the little monster alive rather than abort it, then it's
- >not the child's fault that she changed her mind. By having had intercourse
-
- There is a larger issue that Oleg touches on here. To wit, there is
- the child that needs to be fed. One question that needs addressing is:
- what if this isn't an issue? What if, heaven forbid, the custodial
- parent has the resources necessary to feed, shelter, and clothe the
- child but would *prefer* to have the non-custodial parent pay for
- these things? Does that change whether or not such a pre-sex contract
- is a reasonable or valid thing? I.e. is it *really* the needs of the
- child that drives this objection? Given past net history, I would
- expect different posters to have different answers to this, but it
- might be interesting to see my suspicions confirmed.
-
- I'm curious, though, whether this is really the issue or not. Let's
- try a little thought experiment:
-
- Suppose the contract had been worded: in the event that a child is
- born as a result of aforementioned sexual contact the father shall
- receive primary physical custody of the child. Said custody shall
- persist until the age of majority of the child unless the father is
- criminally convicted of child abuse with respect to said child.
-
- If it changes your opinion any, insert one of the following phrases:
-
- a) the full cost of the child's upbringing will be born by the father.
- or
- b) the mother shall be obligated to pay child support following the
- state's child support guidelines.
-
- I.e.: if you don't get to bash "dead-beat dads" in full politically
- correct glory, does this still devolve to sexism against men? Or is
- the child's welfare really the whole concern?
- --
- "When you're down, it's a long way up
- When you're up, it's a long way down
- It's all the same thing
- And it's no new tale to tell" ../ray\..
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