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- From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
- Subject: Re: Gays, the military and "privacy"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.053101.17766@netcom.com>
- Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
- References: <1992Dec23.210551.8674@netcom.com> <1992Dec28.110607.708@netcom.com> <1992Dec29.023425.1502@netcom.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:31:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.023425.1502@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
- >>Michels stepped down NOT because of lawsuits (any company
- >>that size has lawsuits against it on an ongoing basis) nor
- >>because of EEO complaints (again, any company that size will
- >>have continual EEO complaints), but because of FOA.
- >>
- >Assertion without proof. Elaborate. At no point do you show
- >he stepped down due to FOA. Your later remark shows he
- >stepped due because of money, so you destroy your own
- >argument.
-
- Multiple discussions of this very issue have been in both the WSJ, BW,
- and our own SJMN. As you seem to be of the very PC/fascist bent, I don't
- think you can even see the point, much less understand it.
-
- A good size number of people, all of which have a financial stake in the
- IPO, put pressure on Michels to step down. He may very well return after the
- IPO. No coercive laws, no PC hysteria (although that is growing), just basic
- FOA.
-
- >Fine. You have now advanced the hypothesis that the senior
- >Michels stepped down due to money. Demonstrate what this has
- >to do with FOA.
-
- Boy, you really ARE dense. Probably the MOST effective way to use FOA is
- by money -- we even have names for some forms of this, like "boycott".
- Ever hear of the word "boycott" Maddi? Ah, good entity, I knew you could
- read it ...
-
- >I've already addressed this issue, and it's even included in
- >this article, but you choose to ignore it. Charges occur for
- >rapes. Short of that, the way to go is a lawsuit or an EEO
- >complaint. It's that simple.
- >
- >>How would YOU like someone to erroneously say that you were
- >>charged with various felonies? I don't think you'd like it
- >>one bit. Get your act together and get your facts straight.
- >>
- >Well, given there are also no lawsuits or complaints filed
- >against me, I'd just ignore it. Stop changing the subject.
- >The issue is that Michels was forced to step down because of
- >scandal and money. FOA and PC-ness have zero to do with this
- >situation.
- >
- >Your problem is you think FOA and PC apply to every
- >situation. Get help. You're seriously off the deep end.
-
- Excuse me, let's try a "maddi rant" -- duh, this is the N'th time Maddi,
- are you ready to admit you were wrong aboyut Michels stepping down because
- of criminal charges?
-
- Michels did not step down because of any coercive law. He stepped down because
- it was shown to him that it was going to hurt his pocketbook and others if
- he didn't. I.e., an important group of people were NOT going to associate
- with him because of his actions -- actions which have yet to see any criminal
- charges (and from the accounts, there aren't any).
-
-
- Which brings up another point -- you seem to say that it is O.K. for a woman
- to put up with this shit because "she needs the job". Is this correct?
- And, what do we call a woman that accepts unwanted sexual advances in return
- for money? And, how many other women suffer because the first one or two
- encouraged it by their silence?
-
-
-
- --
- I believe Gennifer Flowers.
-
- These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
-