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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: Gays, the military and "privacy"
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 21:26:02 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.195947.18565@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >In article <92357.38599.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
- > >One of the primary arguments used by the "anti-gay" forces
- > >(for lack of a better term) is that heterosexuals will feel
- > >uncomfortable around someone who is openly gay.
- >
- >1. Well, since it much more cost effective to not have seperate facilities,
- > then of course we shall remove the seperate arrangements for men and
- > women in the military.
- >
- > Of course, many if not all women will now feel uncomfortable in showering
- > with the men and bunking with the men, but, hey, where's comfort mentioned
- > in the constitution?
- >
-
- Well if you want to extend the fallacy of this type of argument. There
- are probably enlisted people who do not like being around blacks, or jews,
- maybe asians; so we should or should not maintain seperate facilities for
- all of these situations?
-
- So what do we do. There are already gay men and women in the military. I
- know some, so that the situation already exist. They don't live in seperate
- quarters, or eat at different mess halls.
-
- IMHO, there is another condition, that some military personnel may feel
- uncomfortable with, and that is not wanting it to be known, that they are
- gay or bisexual. I have spoken with enlisted gay men who say that it
- is taboo to let anyone know who is gay in the officer's ranks. It is
- interesting, but common, that gay/bi men in the military may want it kept
- secret, becuase they have not reached a point of comfort with themselves.
-
- Bottom line is- don't force someone out of the military, because they
- are found out to be gay. If there has been a violation involving someone
- on sexual grounds, whether gay,bi or straight, then that should be the
- basis of explusion.
-
- CONDUCT is the issue, not COMFORTABLE or UNCOMFORTABLE. The military as
- far as I know, is not a place to go to be 'comfortable'. There is nothing
- comforting in the fact that you may be, at anytime, sent out to battle
- and die.
-
-
- >2. Anto-gay is a very loaded term. You seem to assume that if people don't
- > agree with a position held by some homosexuals, that they are anti-
- > homosexual.
- >
- > Not a valid position at all.
- >
-
- Well again, I would say the original poster made it clear about what he
- means- 'anti-gay' forces... I do not think he is talking about people
- who have questions about it, or reservations.
-
- It is quite reasonable to assume that someone who questions the situation
- is not necessarily gay.
-
- You have made an extrapolation, and not a very good one. The poster quoted
- and stated anti-gay forces.
-