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- From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: More Child Molestors for Christ
- Message-ID: <105393@bu.edu>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 15:21:30 GMT
- References: <1992Dec19.123408.4529@netcom.com> <105324@bu.edu> <1992Dec19.231700.27834@netcom.com>
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- In article <1992Dec19.231700.27834@netcom.com>
- phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) once again shows that reason is fast
- becoming the bane of the hoi polloi:
-
- >In article <105324@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
-
- >>In article <1992Dec19.123408.4529@netcom.com>
- phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
-
- >>>both homosexuality and celibacy are unnatural aspects of
- >>>human behaviour -- and IMHO, rather sad and sick ones at
- >>>that.
-
- >>Your opinion isn't humble at all. And, given that you've said
- >>homosexuality is completely moral (and you give me no reason
- >>to think you'd believe otherwise about celibacy), calling
- >>something moral "sad and sick" is none other than ill-thought
- >>if not bizarre.
-
- >Brian -- I can only put this in a personal question: is your self esteem
- >so vulnerable (to wounding) that you can not understand that a lot of
- >people just don't like homosexuals.
-
- Not at all. I can't understand because apparently I'm one of progressively
- fewer people who still use reason before judging others. It's totally
- beyond me how anyone could NOT question their own visceral prejudices.
-
- >And that's ALL it means?
-
- Perhaps you should admit that your visceral prejudices are conflated with
- sour marital experiences, or stop lying about your ex-wife?
-
- >In my book, prostitution, drug use, suicide, self destructive lifestyles
- >(self, not others) are ALL moral. And sad too.
-
- Tell us WHY you think homosexuality is inherently sad, sick and
- self-destructive. Reason demands an answer. So far all you've said
- is that it's your opinion, like hating lima beans. Opinions don't mean
- much without an argument.
-
- >I can not tolerate cigarette smoke. I think it is a disgusting, vile, nasty
- >obnoxious habit. Putrid and damaging to health. Sickening.
-
- Neither can I. But we both know the REASONS.
-
- >And my best friend smokes. And she understands that she smokes on the
- >balcony in my house.
-
- I concur totally.
-
- >My girlfriend does not smoke. I could not tolerate kissing a smoker.
-
- Neither could I. I've always exclusively dated non-smokers.
-
- >Can you understand any of this?
-
- Sure. But you're attempting to validate your prejudice against homosexuality
- by trotting out a supposed analogy. You must argue against it on its own
- demerits.
-
- >You see, this is one of the things that VERY much disturbs me. It seems most
- >people have no ability to distinguish between something "they don't like"
- >and "something that should be banned/made illegal".
-
- One of the most feared questions, which has NOTHING to do with legality or
- illegality, is "why do I feel the way I do about people who aren't like
- me?"
-
- And it still disturbs me greatly that you are an atheist who is not only a
- moral absolutist but a rational relativist. It just seems that your whole
- outlook is conveniently rigged to support your prejudices.
-
- >That's one of the eternal non-understanding going on on this net.
-
- That's totally your misconception. All I've been talking about is the
- unwillingness to question ones own prejudices. You are a fine case in
- point.
-
- >A WSJ editorial on post-poll interviews on Colorado voters (that passed
- >the law forbidding extra rights for homosexuals) stated that while some
- >people obviously voted because of dislike of homosexuals, for most people
- >it was a reaction against yet ANOTHER special interest group lining up
- >at the trough.
-
- Tell me what the special rights were.
-
- >You see Brian, the freedom to be what you want to be ultimately has a price.
- >Other people get to be what they want to be too.
-
- True. I've never said otherwise.
-
- >If you want to shave your head, and wear pink see through tights and
- >prance down Main Street, then other people have the rightr to view it with
- >disgust, or pleasure, or whatever.
-
- And I'll be the first to tell them: "Try to think; don't just react!"
-
- Brian
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- kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University,
- Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in
- ones true self.
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