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- From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
- Subject: Re: Sexist hypocrites
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:22:30 GMT
- References: <92358.155839HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
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- In article <92358.155839HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
- >In article <Bzon6A.764@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>,
- >mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) says:
- >>
- >>
- >
- >(Evidence that Mandar actually went and looked something up when
- >challenged to do so deleted. That is, a brief etymology of "woman",
- >showing its true relation to "wife" and "man", rather than the
- >nonsense he had posted earlier about "wife of man".)
- >
- >> The etymologists on this group will indeed confirm the fact
- >>that "woman" evolved from "wifman" which itself evolved from "man".
- >
- >"Wifman" didn't evolve from "man", as you yourself showed; it evolved
- >from a compound of "wif" and "man".
- >
-
- It DID evolve from man. "Man" was gender neutral previously. "wif"
- was used as a suffix to denote gender.
-
- >>(as a means of specifying the gender). Now, according to you, if
- >>"man" is sexist, and so is "hostess", then "woman" itself should
- >>be sexist.
- >
- >Now this is pretty stupid, don't you think? Is your claim really
- >what it seems to be? Let me restate it for you: People claim that
- >to use the word "man" as if it includes women is or can be sexist
- >or can have the effect of reinforcing sexist patterns of thought.
- >Many hundreds of years ago, the word "woman" evolved from "wif"
- >and "man", the latter word at the time carrying no gender information.
- >Therefore logical consistency requires that we now consider the
- >word "woman" sexist when applied to women. This is what you're
- >saying, and it sure sounds dumb to me.
- >
- >H.
- >
-
- If you find it *so* dumb, find a flaw in my argument.
-
- Mandar.
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