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- From: wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke the consummate chronic prevaricator)
- Subject: Re: Radical feminists
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:07:21 GMT
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- In article <BzMzC5.Inq@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
- >
- > Just how far should we allow this assault on the English language
- >
- > Clearly, words such as "mankind" weren't deemed to be sexist by
- >most women, before these radical feminists started their tirade. Stop
- >misguiding people, you chauvinists!
- >
- > Mandar.
- >--
-
- You engage in the fallacy that most people mean what they say
- and say what they mean, which implies that most people don't always
- know what they think and think what they know.
- On a side note, what do you mean by "Clearly?" Should I take
- it that you didn't have the intention of being precise but wanted to
- convey a certain tone by the usage of "Clearly?" You know, if someone
- argues with your logic, then it cannot be clear enough. Or perhaps I
- should read something extra into your usage of the word "Clearly" by
- saying that your tone is one of angry frustration and the metaphor
- "Clearly" is intended to put down the opposing side by making them
- look stupid for not seeing what is clearly so clear to you?
- Similarly, am I trying to mock you by my usage of the word
- "clearly" or am I just trying to show you how slippery language]
- can be? Let's say I tell you that my intention is the latter, but
- you're in a bad mood and refuse to believe that it isn't the former,
- does that mean that I've insulted you? You discussed something about
- a put down--forgot exactly so I chose a mild example--being a put
- down only if the woman feels it is a put down in a part of your post
- which I--unfortunately--deleted.
-
- You really don't seem to understand the value of feminism--radical
- or not. Like all good literary theories: deconstruction, Saussurean
- linguistics, reader response criticism, marxism, structuralism, formalism,
- or hermeneuitics, feminism opens the way for all of us to view things in
- another different and new way. Your reaction, I sense, is not against
- the feminist movement itself but, perhaps, to the threat you feel at
- having heretofore open space closed to you. That is, you may be reacting
- out of personal inadequacies. Now, this analysis of mine is NOT meant
- to be some deep psychoanalysis of any kind. Rather, what I just did is
- to ask a question that leads to a questioning of the self and the seeking
- of the motives that drive the self. In this vein, one can use the question
- and learn how and why one reacts to whatever and perhaps even learn to
- live with ideas/things previously viewed as threats. In a very important
- way, feminism is making us question what we do or have done, or what
- others do or have done. The detached questioning one takes to approach
- such new information as feminism helps one integrate that new information.
-
- blah, blah, blah ...
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- wing
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