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- From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes)
- Subject: Re: English N. Sg. w/Pl. Agreement
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:16:27 GMT
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- References: <BzMuyJ.FyD@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> <12189@kesson.ed.ac.uk> <38085@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> <1992Dec31.014810.8852@mri.com> <C04qL0.GvF@world.std.com>
- Organization: University of South Africa
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- In article <C04qL0.GvF@world.std.com> jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes:
-
- >>In article <38085@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
- >writes:
- >
- >>>Yes, yes -- the government have decided -- a barbarism no American
- >>>would think of uttering.
- >
- >>It appears that in British English (yes, whatever THAT is) that
- >>singular nouns representing organizations, teams, or other multi-
- >>person entities are give grammatical plural status, as in
- >
- >>- the government example above
- >>- <football team name> win some cup or other
- >>- IBM announce new product
- >>- etc.
-
- Not necessarily... there are collective nouns that can be singular or plural
- depending on the context.
-
- "Spurs win the Cup" could be either, but that's not what I'm thinking of.
-
- "The government has decided" means that the institution as a whole has
- resolved on some course of action.
-
- "The government have decided" implies that the individual members of the
- government were debating a point, and reached agreement.
-
- Do you say "This data is... " or "These data are ..."
-
- surely it depends on whether you are speaking of the collection as a unit,
- or the collection as a collection.
-
- Of course Americans always seem to use "among" when they mean "between"...
-
-
- Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
- Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
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