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- From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
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- Subject: In defense of crackpots ( was Re: Repost of Truzzi Lecture:)
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- Date: 31 Dec 92 08:29:03 GMT
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- In article <C03HC5.98n@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu (John Snyder) writes:
- >
- >Such arguments usually rely upon the following logic:
- >
- >1) Some of the great ideas of science were once ridiculed as crackpot ideas.
- >2) My ideas are ridiculed as crackpot ideas.
- >3) Therefore my ideas are some of the great ideas of science.
- >
- >Sounds plausible at first, but the 3rd statement does not follow from the
- >first two.
-
- I've seen this argument so often that I begin to doubt it. I mean,
- crackpot logic isn't that stupid. The logic is, I think (but who can
- fathom the abysses of a crackpot mind?):
-
- 1) My ideas are unconventional, so you laugh at them;
- 2) But unconventionality, even apparently ridiculous, is no counterproof;
- 3) The example of XXX shows that the implication "ridiculous -> wrong"
- doesn't hold.
- 4) Therefore your observation that it's ridiculous is not sufficient to
- prove me wrong.
-
- Maybe it would be a good point to know which "great ideas in science"
- started out (supposedly) as crackpot ideas, and some information about
- how quickly they were accepted would come in handy too.
-
- Here's for starters:
- Galilei. The people who did not believe him were people outside of
- science. I don't know of any knowledgeous people who thought he
- was wrong.
-
- The Wright brothers. (Often quoted by TM people). Did people laugh at
- them? From what I remember there were at the time ample reasons to
- doubt that fixed-wing airplanes (1) were controllable and (2) motors
- would be strong enough to make the whole thing feasible. In other
- words, theoretically it was possible, but from an engineer's point
- of view it was not clear at all that it would work.
- Compare the Stirling motor. After very many years of experimentation
- it is still not practical. Compare the Wankel motor.
-
- Einstein. Special relativity was thought to be ridiculous by people
- who didn't know too much about about physics. How long did it take
- for S.R. to become accepted?
-
- Semmelweis. Semmelweis's big mistake was that he called everybody
- who did not immediately follow his example a dirty murderer. And he
- got Alzheimer's disease by the time his ideas took root.
-
- BTW, Semmelweis and Galilei are examples of scientists who damaged
- their own cause by being unnecessary sharp.
-
- Any comments?
- JWNN
-
- >
- >John
- >snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu
-