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- From: k-man@diego.llnl.gov (Kevin Anderson)
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- Subject: Re: Rhoads on Dairy ...
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- Date: 29 Dec 92 19:30:16 GMT
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- In response to my statement
-
- > But as it is, I gotta rank Moore And Rhoads ahead of Tony, sorry.
-
- John (jgb@eng.auburn.edu) writes
-
- > I quess my main complaint is that you didn't give
- > any criteria for the comparison.
-
- I agree, I didn't give any criteria. I was not referring to songwriting
- ability, but pure chops.
-
- > As far as technical ability and guitar work, RANDY RHOADS blows Tony
- > into the weeds. When I sit down to learn licks (BTW if you haven't
- > guessed, I play guitar), I can blow out Black Sabbath songs in a heartbeat.
- > When I play Randy's stuff, it takes me forever to figure it out and then
- > get it up to speed.
-
- That is my point exactly! As for songwriting, John says:
-
- > I must admit that Black Sabbath (like AC/DC) come up with
- > great tunes that stand the test of time. Tony wins....barely.
-
- I think Tony wins that battle against Moore too. I think Rhoads was taken
- from us too early, but I bet he would have left a legacy to match Sabbaths.
- Now Moore has been very inconsistent. Look at an album like "Run For Cover."
- Some of the stuff on it is excellent, but some of it is very throw-away -- I
- mean all of Gary's "We're gonna rock and roll all night baby baby" stuff is
- just that: throw-away.
-
- Now Mike (mschenk@research.ptt.nl) writes
-
- > INHO Tony Iommi is probably the best rhythm guitarist
- > in the world. The things he plays are incredibly heavy especially
- > if you remember that it is all one guitar. And he did influenced
- > every existing metal guitarist. Unfortunately his lead guitar is
- > not as exciting as that of other guitarist. But I think he knows
- > that and his solos are kept to a minimum and are always part of
- > the song.
-
- > So as a lead guitarist I rank Moore and Rhoads over Iommi but as
- > a rhythm guitarist I see things the other way around. (But Randy
- > Rhoads played some amazing rhythm guitar as well.)
-
- I think Iommi's best work is the earliest stuff. The solos do seem
- to be very much a part of the song. Heck, we can all sing the solos
- to Paranoid and War Pigs - just what a solo should do. But, like
- Ritchie Blackmore, his latterday solos are just not up to the early
- stuff IMHO. Like Blackmore, it seems he is just making noise by wiggling
- his fingers in that part of the song where the solo is supposed to
-
- A nice general statement there - I don't feel like going song by song -
- but that's how I see it. I think it is fair to compare the artists
- current works against each other without their entire bodies of work
- entering the picture. Moore has improved from his Early Seventies stuff
- where Iommi has not and Rhoads just threw us two (not counting his
- Quiet Riot) albums.
-
- Cheers,
- K-Man
-