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- From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
- Subject: Re: Raises a new question (Re: Is sexuality chosen or inborn?)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.155139.11023@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:51:39 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan1.202329.13482@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
- >
- >>>> Well, just when you think you've heard it all...so people object to gays
- >>>>because their sexual practices are mutually non-consensual, since they are
- >>>>too mentally ill to give consent? Incredible.
- >>>
- >>> I'm sure you've heard it before.
- >>
- >> Nope. Never. And I exchange ideas with lots of 'phobes. I'd be
- >>interested to know if anyone else reading this newsgroup has ever heard
- >>this amazing assertion before.
- >
- > You've never heard that gays are mentally ill? My argument is
- > merely the logical extension of that argument: the mentally
- > ill are not considered able to give informed consent.
-
- Of course I've heard the argument that gays are mentally ill. What is
- new to me is the extension thath they are *so* ill that they cannot give
- informed consent to have sex with another person.
- Your extension is anything but logical. Even if gays were mentally
- ill, which the AMA, APA et al. have deemed not true, their mental
- competence is another matter. Let's say you're an agoraphobic, or anxious,
- or suffer from any of a multitide of such problems. Does that mean you are
- non compus mentis? Hardly.
-
- > If it helps, I've heard it a number of times from the
- > fundies in my area (MD/Va/DC)
-
- The mentally-ill charge, or the "too ill for conformed consent"
- blather?
-
- >> I think this is a terrible example. It implies that gays are
- >>equivalent mentally to a retarded person. I'm sure you know that this
- >>isn't the case.
- >
- > No, it implies that, if we consider gays mentally ill
- > (perhaps not you or I, but the vast majority) then we
- > cannot allow them to determine their own health.
-
- "Vast majority"? Please. Either support this or don't claim it.
-
- And, by "support", I don't mean some hate pamphlet from CFV. I
- honestly doubt that even a majority of homophobes feel that gays are
- mentally ill.
-
- > Please. I've heard it so many times it's boring. The
- > gays are mentally ill perverts argument is probably as old
- > as the "gays are servents of satan" argument. If you haven't
- > heard it before, you've been hiding in some dark cave somewhere.
-
- Sure; but we're talking about competence.
-
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- Howard Black cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
- Department of Chemistry Eastern Illinois Univ.
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