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- From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
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- Subject: AIDS
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.195641.4698@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 19:56:41 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.131625.19041@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
- >thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank):
- >>And, of course, having an accurate percentage is important for epidemological
- >>considerations for certain afflictions. If 10% of all men are gay, it means
- >>that gay men are 19 times as much risk for HIV infection than the rest of the
- >>population (assuming that the UL'ish notion that 50% of all HIV+ are hetero),
- >>while if 4% of all men are gay, then gay men are 48 times as much risk, etc.
- >
- >Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? Sexual orientation has
- >nothing to do with how much someone is "at risk".
-
- Which is why I can count the number of lesbian cases on one hand.
-
- >(And yes, "50% of all HIV+
- >are hetero" is probably wrong, but not because the percentage is too large.)
-
- Check the data some time. We're still not even at the stage where 50% of
- *new* HIV cases in the US are from heterosexual encounters.
-
- >Sexual activity is the determining factor, not orientation -- a man
- >frotting with another man is much less likely to swap diseases with that
- >person than, say, a man and a woman having penetrative sex without a condom.
- >There is no "safe" sexually active social category.
-
- And I could be stampeded by a rhinocerous tomorrow. But some activities
- are safer than others. A male's more likely to die in a car accident driving
- ten miles to your hypothetical sexual encounter than to contract AIDS from
- that encounter.
-
- And of course, there's the convenience that one cannot contract HIV from
- someone who doesn't have it. And the simply fact is that gay men are
- more than an order of magnitude more likely to have HIV than the population
- at large, and two orders of magnitude more likely to have it than the
- non-IVDU non-hemophiliac heterosexual population.
-
- >>Ironically, the constant repetition of the clearly false 10% overestimate
- >>probably results in far too much of society's resources being devoted to
- >>preventing heterosexual AIDS, and not enough devoted to preventing homosexual
- >>AIDS.
- >
- >Huh? So are you saying that a smaller estimation would lead to more support
- >for preventing "homosexual AIDS"? This doesn't make any sense.
-
- Sure it does. How much federal money is being spent to prevent AIDS in
- North Dakota (total AIDS cases in twelve years: 25)? How much of that
- money could be used for research instead of a wild goose chase? How often
- does the media cover heterosexual AIDS over the more common methods of
- acquisition? (Witness the recent Newsweek cover on "AIDS and Teens,"
- even though the number of teens acquiring AIDS heterosexually has decreased
- in the last couple of years, and has never been more than a few dozen.)
-
- >I suspect that you have very little idea just how "society's resources" are
- >being used against HIV and AIDS.
-
- Suspect away, but you're wrong.
-
- Followups to sci.skeptic.
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