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- From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
- Subject: Re: Wwy is the sky blue? (was Re: Daytime Stars - Not Donahue or Oprah)
- In-Reply-To: <kjm.101.0@buc.edu.au>
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:33:43 GMT
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- >DATE: 21 Dec 92 01:24:15 GMT
- >FROM: Kevin Moore <kjm@buc.edu.au>
- >
- >In article <1992Dec16.083550.11767@msc.cornell.edu> maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
- >
- >>So I'm not sure quite what the above dude means by electron scattering in
- >>molecules not being affected by frequency. Maybe this statement refers to
- >>resonant scattering, whereas what we care about is non-resonant.
- >
- >>Maynard
- >
- >All that stuff in Jackson essentially reduces to treating air molecules as
- >classical harmonic oscillators, excited by the incident light, and radiating
- >as dipole radiators.
- >
- >The frequency of light is well below the natural frequency of the air
- >molecules. When sufficiently outside the resonant region, a harmonic
- >oscillator's amplitude is approximately constant ( A = F_0/k ) for
- >frequencies below resonance. For frequencies well above resonance,
- >A = F_0/ m omega^2 . In the resonance region, it is a lot more complicated,
- >and is certainly frequency dependent.
- >
- >The Rayleigh scattering case is below resonant frequency. The amplitude of
- >the oscillator is constant with frequency, so from the dipole radiation
- >formula, we get the omega^4 dependence.
- >
- >As far as seeing stars from the bottom of wells is concerned, I've looked up
- >at the sky from the bottom of slot canyons, and it looks blue, just like a
- >normal daytime sky. No stars.
- >
- >Bah, Humbug! to you all,
- >
- >Kevin
- >
- >******************************************************************************
- >The reason is that the program was written in * Kevin Moore
- >BASIC, a sort of computer baby-talk. * kjm@buc.edu.au
- > Richard Dawkins *
- >******************************************************************************
-
- I'm still confused. Sorry. I'm really trying to understand this.
- Some of the posts seem to confirm my vague recollections that the sky is
- glowing, although my reasons for it were incorrect.
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- I can't figure out whether the atmosphere is a lens or a radiator; whether
- the photon originally came from the sun (no glowing) or whether it came from
- the air molecules (glowing); whether a different atmosphere would be a
- different color because of its spectral signature or because of its optical
- properties; whether the air molecules in the viewed part of the sky are even
- receiving their fair share of red (!glowing) or whether the red is being absorbed
- and re-radiated (glowing). I had diff-eq over 30 years ago. I had one
- miserable year of highschool and one stinking semester of college physics
- over 30 years ago. I love physics. I do. I am simply too thick to get
- very far into its abstruse realms. Surely, there is some succinct
- statement that a laymen can understand, that would imply that it acts
- like thus-and-so, that would make an analogy sufficiently comprehensible
- that I can finally get a feel for why the sky is blue.
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- Maybe we need a dissertation on Rayleigh (John Strutt -- see...I'm really
- trying) Scattering. In that case, I may be doomed never to know why the
- sky is blue. 8^(
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- /666; ', jim tims
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- ;;|\..(( -C---->> So is it glowing, or what? I almost thought I had
- ;;| >- `.__),;; there for a second, but now it's gone again.
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