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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Why I am Not An Egalitarian
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.030606.12132@netcom.com>
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- References: <Bzu4Ez.D5y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec31.191915.19362@netcom.com> <C056zA.FAu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:06:06 GMT
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- In article <C056zA.FAu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
- >payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >
- >>It seems to me that you spend a great deal of time defining things in
- >>terms of classes, and have shown little interest in dropping the class
- >>distinctions and looking at every case individually.
- >
- >But isn't part of looking at individual cases developing an intuition
- >about the individual, instead of going strictly by paper qualifications?
-
- Who specified ONLY PAPER QUALIFICATIONS? I have repeatedly stated that a
- short session at the blackboard will tell far more about qualifications,
- and a few questions will easily determine knowledge.
-
- Why you have a fixation on "paper qualifications" is beyond me.
-
- And your use of the word "intuition" makes me nervous. It's a female,
- non-objective thing.
-
- >And part of such an intution may be an *individual's* history of
- >overcoming adversity.
-
- A history which will end the moment you give brownie points and differential
- treatment. And you have yet to show that there is a single demonstrated
- professional advantage.
-
- >Note that I am in favor of affirmative action in terms of groups
- >only in limited and extreme circumstances; (which have to be
- >a lot more extreme for government than for private institutions).
-
- Feminists yell loud and clear that -any- such differential treatment
- (not in a womans favor) is WRONG. A few feminists even say that any
- such differential treatment at all is wrong. You have drawn non-extreme
- lines which seem to contradict the above.
-
- >I am, particularly, not in favor of *automatic* preference to women
- >and minorities in public university admissions programs.
-
- But I wonder what you would do if given the power to make such PC acceptable
- selection preferances? I suspect (from reading all your posts) that
- given the opportunity, you would give preferences based upon race and sex,
- after all, you -define- those poor opressed souls as disadvanteged, and
- those opressor white males with all the advantages will have no problem
- getting a job as a corporate executive elsewhere, right? It's about time
- that they learn to overcome disadvantages. Too bad noone cares if they
- have, even if all their lives.
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
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- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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