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- From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
- Subject: Re: Damned Souls (was Re: Version Five)
- References: <725835366@lear.cs.duke.edu> <C058Hz.Fq2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <725976390@lear.cs.duke.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:34:09 GMT
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- gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
-
- >In article <C058Hz.Fq2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- >levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >>I am only defending the idea that affirmative action is *sometimes*
- >>reasonable. I would by no means defend all current uses of affirmative
- >>action.
-
- >Which one would you defend?
-
- If you are talking about affirmative action to give preference to groups
- of people (as opposed to individual evaluations of people that are in
- part based on their specific background), the best example is the
- Alabama State Trooper case.
-
- For many years, black people were not allowed to be Alabama state
- troopers. Note this is the sort of occupation that many black Americans
- choose. In any case, when this period of discrimination ended, there was
- a very large pool of black Alabamans who wanted to be state troopers,
- who could have performed the job acceptably, who had been passed over due to
- the previous policy of discrimination.
-
- The government of Alabama was ordered to institute a *temporary* policy
- of affirmative action, to amend for previous discrimination. This order
- was upheld by a Republican-dominated U.S. Supreme Court.
-
- >>>Anyway, if you want to check how will you do on your own merit (fat
- >>>chance...) then you can refuse to fill up the affirmative action forms.
- >>>This way it will be worth to hire you only if the employer
- >>>really needs you.
-
- >>What affirmative action forms are you assuming I fill out? Be specific.
-
- >Most employers and most schools ask all applicants to fill out
- >affirmative action when they apply. In those forms one has to
- >tell about his/her race and sex. I'm a little surprised that
- >your school has not asked you to fill out any.
-
- My gender is obvious from my name. My race is Caucasian, which would not
- grant me any affirmative action preference. I do not list on
- applications any personal facts (beyond my gender) which would grant me
- affirmative action preference.
-
- Lenore Levine
-