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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
- Message-ID: <725845331@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 23:42:12 GMT
- References: 31.060738.7301@netcom.com> <168CED207.SURGDM@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
- Followup-To: soc.men
- Organization: Nefolet shel nemushot (Fallout of Wimps)
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- #It's really strange how enviornmental factors are claimed to be -major-
- #limiting factors in womens lives, but it is unforgivable heresay to
- #consider enviornmental factors when men are involved.
-
- In article <168CED207.SURGDM@mizzou1.missouri.edu>
- news@mont.cs.missouri.edu writes:
-
- >Could you come up with a few good examples? Assertion is not proof.
-
- 1) The divorce system discriminates against men, and in most cases
- women win. I suggested changes in the laws that will give men
- a better chance and got a long lecture from feminists (especially
- Adrienne) saying that the laws are just fine, men just have to
- try a little harder.
-
- 2) The presentation of men as more violence, and claims that the
- environmental factors are not that important. The fact that
- there are *many* more men in jail does not show (according to
- the feminists "testosterone poisoning" theories) any discrimination
- against men, it just shows the violent nature of men...
- (Just be careful never to present a similar theory about blacks...)
-
- 3) Men live, on average, 10% less than women. The feminist theory
- about that is that women die because they lousy medical treatment,
- but men's bodies just break apart in a younger age.
- No environmental factors can change the clear conclusion.
-
- >Diane
-
- Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
- "Indeed, one of the earliest forms of male bonding must have
- been the gang rape of one woman by a band of marauding men."
- -- ("Against Our Will", Susan Brownmiller)
-