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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Choosing Dangerous Relationships (was: How to Protect Women)
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:03:38 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec31.223942.7940@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
- >Yes, it is indeed an interesting situation. On the one hand, there are
- >large numbers of "safe" men available, but these are ususally of
- >relatively little interest to women.
-
-
- Precise observation. Most men learn early on that
- women tell them that they want one thing (skin of
- the same flesh, one soul, all of that crap) but
- chase and react positively to another (the uncaring
- self-centered "bad guy" who is sexy, the flawed hero,
- all of that crap.)
-
- >to a woman. My advocacy of an aggressive style is NOT because I am
- >attached to such a style _per se_, but rather that feminist rhetoric
- >has misled many men into thinking that the way to win a woman's
- >attention is to be a "nice guy," when in fact this is the fastest
- >way to turn her off completely. Therefore, men must learn to modify
- >their behavior to give women more of what they *really do* want;
-
-
- I disagree. Men don't owe women jack in terms of behavior
- modification. You are who you are, and if others don't like it,
- well, tough. Certainly it is not reasonable to advocate that
- *men* should change their psyches to please women.
-
-
- >You and I can both agree that we'd prefer a saner world, where the
- >likelihood of violence in a man was NOT seen as an attractive feature.
- >But "things are the way they are" because there are so many women who
- >react like Robin Givens (who is so beautiful that she could obviously
- >have had her pick of practically ANY available man). On the day that
- >women spurn boxers and football players for philosophers, once-violent
- >men will begin to study Aristotle. Until that day, both men and women
- >will be living in the world of Dangerous Relationships.
-
-
- Exactly. We all form our behaviors by observing "what works".
- The ideas preached by most feminists do not, and yet they wonder
- why most men ignore them.
-
-
- --
- Blaming society for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
- --- Boycott == censorship == cowardice ---
- Do I even need to point out that my views do not represent
- those of my employer, institution or relations?
-