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- From: starbuck@galaxy.ucr.edu (starbuck)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
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- Date: 27 Dec 92 20:43:33 GMT
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- In article <MUFFY.92Dec22131202@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
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- >Nope. Men who say "shut up about (for example) violence against women,
- >because the *real* problem is violence against men" are being
- >insensitive and belittling. Men who discuss men's issues in a group
- >which is supposedly about feminism (which you yourself say is about
- >women's issues) are also being insensitive, since the implication is
- >that people who are concerned about women's issues *should* be spending
- >their time on men's issues. Why not keep it in soc.men and stop all
- >this ridiculous cross-posting?
-
- The cross-posting is not ridiculous as you may feel. From you posting
- over the years one can see you say most anything that suits you at the
- moment. Consider a little net.history.
-
- Sometime ago a discussion of soc.feminism and the moderators developed
- on soc.men. It was in these discussion that many of us thought that
- a new unmoderated group be created for open dicussion of feminism
- to counter the almost religious beliefs that you as a gatekeeper
- (moderator) try to enforce on soc.feminism. Your critics were legion.
-
- The "supposedly about feminism" that you seem to feel is threated on
- alt.feminism is bullshit. I don't recall you posting to alt.config
- when this group was proposed although I had posted several articles
- along with others who felt that this group should be created as a
- forum for discussion of both the pro and con of feminism. As well
- as a way to get the feminists and their anti-men theory of soc.men. Those
- who wish more myth and dogma should feel free to post to soc.feminism.
- I am sure you would approve the posts.
-
- Let's give credit where credit is due. alt.feminism was newgrouped by
- T.J. Wood @pitt. T.J. wrote the charter which provide that the group
- was to be a forum for both critics and devotees of feminism. I know
- you don't like the fact you cannot control this group like you do
- soc.feminism. Too bad.
-
- As far as men discussing men's issues on alt.feminsm that is perfectly
- ok. Feminist's discuss men all the time. That being the case makes
- feminism a men's issue.
-
- starbuck
-