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- From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
- Subject: Why I am Not An Egalitarian
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:44:58 GMT
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- One final word, in connection with the Levine/Payne exchange.
-
- I am not an egalitarian, as I've said, in the sense that I believe
- that the importance of human differences -- either genetic, or
- determined in early childhood -- has been greatly discounted.
-
- For these reasons I *do* believe that it is often appropriate, to
- give extra help to people coming from a position of cultural
- disadvantage. The reason for this help is not to establish some quota,
- but to help people get into occupations where they more reasonably
- belong.
-
- I will admit that I am an elitist. But I am not a fingerist (a person
- who believes, "I've got mine, you don't got yours, so you know what you
- can do!") I believe that the influence of random factors in society is
- so great that many people do not end up in positions appropriate for
- them. Specifically, I believe that a great many culturally disadvantaged
- people, in menial jobs, have the ability to do far better. As a matter
- of fact, *I've* been one of these people (with my biggest cultural
- disadvantage being a learning disability, *not* my gender). I've been in
- many menial jobs in my life, with people assuming I was not fit for
- anything else. I am currently a graduate student in mathematics, and doing
- just fine! But I could not have gotten to this position, without the help I
- received along the way.
-
- I also believe that our culture does not necessarily value the right
- qualities. That is, in an age so influenced by television, we tend to
- value glibness more than depth of character or of thought. For example,
- I do understand that Ronald Reagan overcame some childhood cultural
- disadvantages. But I do not think the traits he was valued for, the traits
- that enabled him to rise to the top, are traits that should be valued.
- Remember, that cream is not the only thing that rises to the top!
- (Note: Please, please, I am using Reagan only as *one example*. If you
- don't like this one, substitute a liberal Democrat if you wish.)
-
- For these reasons, too, I do not believe that the fact that people are
- *in* positions of leadership, is ipso facto evidence that they belong
- there.
-
- Finally, I would like to discuss the subject of quotas. As an elitist, I
- do not believe there is any God-given necessity for any human group, to
- be equally represented in all positions. I think that evidence of
- disproportionate representation should be considered only in a specific
- context, in which by common sense it *does* show some injustice. I think
- that such contexts certainly exist, but one should not automatically
- assume that a disproportionate represenation means they do exist.
-
- What do I mean, in practice? I guess one specific example, which will
- illuminate what I mean, is conditions in a Silicon Valley company I
- worked for as a programmer in the spring and summer of 1988. I was a
- working there as a temporary (I was eventually offered a permanent
- position, and refused it). Of the hundred or so permanent programmers in my
- section of the company, only two or three were women. (Note one of these
- women was quite "butch"; she seemed to fulfill the cultural role of "one
- of the boys" quite well.)
-
- Now, in all the other companies I worked for, the programming work force
- was more than 10% women; sometimes close to 50%. Therefore, I think the
- extreme disproportion at this particular company, in the context
- it existed in, *was* very strong evidence of either conscious or
- unconscious discrimination. As a matter of fact, there was not in this
- particular place any deliberate effort to exclude women, and women were
- *hired* in much greater proportion. But there was a corporate culture
- that made women feel unwelcome -- *much* more unwelcome than they felt
- in other Silicon Valley companies. And because of this corporate
- culture, women *left* the company in much greater proportion than men.
- I think in this case, the numbers did tell a story that the company
- should have been listening to (and, I understand, did eventually).
-
- I do not think in every case numbers tell the same story -- but what's
- so wrong about trying to understand a *specific* situation, instead of
- applying ironclad rules?
-
- Lenore Levine
-