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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Daniel's interesting obsession with me
- Date: 23 Dec 92 16:13:53
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Dec23161353@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <1992Dec18.184824.10383@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
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- In-reply-to: holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:56:09 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec23.165609.1@d0gslb.fnal.gov> holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:
- >In article <MUFFY.92Dec22220302@remarque.berkeley.edu>,
- >muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >> Actually, the original discussion was about violence against women. I
- >> understand why you wish to twist the facts in this way, but I don't see
- >> any point in answering it further.
-
- >If you wish to limit meta-discussion to one discussion, that's one
- >thing.
-
- I wish to at least discuss what we were discussing as opposed to
- attacking feminism yet again. Silly of me, in this group, I know...the
- whole *point* is to attack feminism.
-
- >> Well, it would be quite fine with me if you would go to hell. You
- >> certainly aren't making the world any better by trying to STOP feminists
- >> from doing anything about violence against women.
-
- >Please quote me EVER trying to get feminists OR ANYONE ELSE to stop doing
- >anything about violence against women.
-
- Sure, right here:
-
- >Why is it that every time someone brings up violence against men, here or
- >elsewhere, some feminists start shouting about violence against women, and how
- >dare we focus on men's problems?
-
- Not only do you complain about feminists' concern for violence against
- women, but you try to change the issue - this is *exactly* what was
- happening to feminists in this thread: someone brought up violence
- against women and the men leapt in with "but violence against men is so
- much more prevalent."
-
- >That foot in your big mouth looks awful uncomfortable. Perhaps you should get
- >it looked at.
-
- I believe that my mouth is of normal size. You kicking me in the face
- may certainly have swollen it, but I think the discomfort is from the
- kicking, really. Maybe if we just cut the foot off of you, we'd both be
- more comfortable?
-
- >I also work full time and support a family. What's your excuse?
-
- Excuse for what, pray tell? I work full time (well, more than full
- time, since I work at a very small company and essentially do two jobs
- here) and support a small family (me, my SO, and our close friends and
- lovers as necessary). Right now, my SO (male) is trying to recover from
- 10 years of abuse, and I am trying to help him. A lover is leaving a
- damaging relationship and I'm trying to help her. Friends are
- fortunately doing well at the moment.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-