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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
- Date: 22 Dec 92 22:03:02
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Dec22220302@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <1992Dec18.184824.10383@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
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- In-reply-to: holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:17:27 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec22.171727.1@d0gslb.fnal.gov> holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:
- >In article <MUFFY.92Dec21154021@remarque.berkeley.edu>,
- >muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >> No, the issue is that every time someone talks about the violence that
- >> is practiced against women, some people here start shouting about the
- >> violence that happens to men. Not only do they not seem to want us to
- >> work on the problem *we* are concerned about, but they further want us
- >> to work on *their* problems.
-
- >Who is "we", Muffy?
-
- "We" is those of us who choose to work on that problem. Notably
- feminists.
-
- >Why is it that every time someone brings up violence against men, here or
- >elsewhere, some feminists start shouting about violence against women, and how
- >dare we focus on men's problems?
-
- Actually, the original discussion was about violence against women. I
- understand why you wish to twist the facts in this way, but I don't see
- any point in answering it further.
-
- >Personally, I think I have enough time to deal with both. If you can only deal
- >with one, don't be surprised if a bunch of people decide that they only have
- >time for their problem and to hell with you and yours. This does not seem an
- >effective tactic.
-
- Well, it would be quite fine with me if you would go to hell. You
- certainly aren't making the world any better by trying to STOP feminists
- from doing anything about violence against women. I guess if you don't
- have to work to support yourself and your family, you have time to work
- on *ALL* problems (what *have* you done about violence against women
- lately, by the way?), but some of us don't have that luxury.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-